Talking Drupal #552 - MOSA

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This is Talking Drupal, a weekly chat about web design and development from a group of people with one thing in common.
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We love Drupal.
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This is episode five fifty two, MOSA.
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On today's show, we're talking about the Midwest Open Source Alliance, what they do, and how they support Drupal with our guests, April Sides and Tearyne Almondaras.

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Got it.

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We'll also cover Canvas field component as our module of the week.
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Welcome to Talking Drupal.
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Our guests today are April Sides and Tearyne Almandaraz.
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April is a principal software engineer at Red Hat and treasurer of the Midwest Open Source Alliance.
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She is also heavily involved in Drupal Camp Asheville, Ally Talks, virtual meetup, and the Drupal community working group community health team.

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She's also not in this intro, an Erin Winborn award winner, which we will talk about later.
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April, welcome back to the show, and thanks for joining us.

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Thanks for having me.

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Tearyne is the vice president of the Midwest Open Source Alliance and has served as an officer of many other boards, including previously holding the titles of vice president of the board for the Texas Organizing Project and secretary of NSBE NISB.
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Did I pronounce that right?
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Yeah.
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DFW.
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Tearyne, welcome to the show, and thanks for joining us.

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Thanks for having me back.

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I'm John Picozzi, solutions architect at EPAM.
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And today, my cohosts our cohost is Nic Laflin, founder at nLightened Development.
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Nic, how's it going?

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Doing great.
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Happy to be here.
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Happy to have you you and Martin back.

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Yeah.
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As you as our listeners can tell, I might be a little little bit rusty, jumping jumping in here, but, we're we'll we'll work through it together.
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And now as we do, to talk about our module of the week, let's turn it over to Martin Anderson Kloots, a product marketing manager for Drupal at Acquia and a maintainer of a number of Drupal modules of his own.
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Martin, what do you have for us this week?

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Thanks, John.
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Have you ever wanted to place Drupal rendered fields into your Drupal Canvas templates?
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There's a module for that.
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It's called Canvas Field Component, and it was created in April 2026 by me with some help from a couple of AI models.
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It has a one point o point o version available, which works with Drupal 11.2 or newer.

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It is actively maintained, has security and test coverage.
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And for documentation, there's Readme, although by design, it's, intended to be narrow in scope.
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For issues, there are technically five open issues, but they are all marked as fixed.
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And the module officially is in use by 41 sites according to drupal.org.
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Now by design, when using Drupal Canvas to create templates for content types, the idea is to map field values to properties in the templates components.

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That is a new system, however, so site builders may find there are gaps in terms of available mappings for field types they need to use or may want to draw on mature formatting options such as the responsive image definitions that come with Drupal CMS.
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With the Canvas field component module installed, you'll find a new field display option available in your Canvas component library.
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When you drag that into a Canvas template layout, you can choose which field from the content type you wanna display and the formatter to use.
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That in turn will expose all settings for the, chosen formatter as well as any third party settings available.
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For example, if using date augmenters with smart date fields.

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Those settings will be reflected in real time inside the Canvas UI preview and then on rendered content once the template changes are published.
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This module started as a simple idea based on my own experience using other UI based Drupal solutions for laying out content type templates like Layout Builder or Acquia Site Studio.
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Over the years, I've come to appreciate the flexibility of being able to place Drupal rendered fields into templates so you can mix mix and match existing robust formatting options with ways of pulling fill values into layouts that also include more bespoke elements.
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Or just use this as a way to add more, excuse me, layout flexibility to Drupal's default linear display controls.
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That's what I do on my own blog where I use layout builder, but don't have a single custom layout on the entire site.

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It's only used for enhancing the layout of structured content.
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So full disclosure, I also used the idea for Canvas Field component as the impetus to venture into Vibe coding inspired by the conversations happening in the AI learners club, which listeners will hear more about in an upcoming episode.
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But let's talk about Canvas field components.

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I have so many questions, but I'll I'll I'll reserve them for anybody else that might have a question.
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If not, then I'll jump in with my millions.

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I I I do have kind of two questions.
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The first one is, how do you well, I guess it's really new, so it's hard to say.
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But how do you see working with Canvas?
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Because Canvas is still moving fast even though it's been out for about a year.
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And, I do follow the Canvas channel, and I feel like every release breaks something, but which is fine.

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It's a complex problem to solve.
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And, have you have you maintained this module through any updates yet?
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Has has any changes needed to be made?

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So this module was initially created about two and a half, maybe three weeks ago.
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So it's very new.
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So there have not been any sort of feature releases to Canvas since then.
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I gather there's an upcoming release that's due to provide, I think there's a couple of new features around, like, multi valued fields, and mapping those.
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So it'll be interesting to see how that works.

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I'll be honest.
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I mean, in in my own mind, I feel like this is a a capability that Canvas should have.
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But again, you know, one of the benefits of working with sort of a modular, framework slash CMS like Drupal is the fact that when something when it feels like there's a gap in functionality, oftentimes you can create a custom module that sort of provides that.
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And then there can be an ongoing conversation around whether that should be moved into, you know, the sort of parent solution or even in in the core in some cases.
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But, yeah, I think there's there's a lot that, that we'll see how that plays out over time for sure.

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Okay.
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Okay.
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So walk me through how this thing work.
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Well, actually, let me walk you through how I think this thing works, and you can tell me where I'm where I'm wrong and where I'm right.
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So if I have Canvas installed, I don't have this module installed yet.

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Right?
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I get basically a, like, flexible page or a page, right, that I can just create using Canvas.
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Right?
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I have heard and I've not played with exactly that you can actually add Canvas to, like, content types and, like, you can you can, you you know, display content types via Canvas in that way.
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Install this module, go into my Canvas pages, and now I have components based on content type fields.

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Is that essentially how it works?

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Close.
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So I I would say the the clarify clarification I would wanna make is that this is really intended for use specifically with those templates.
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So if you're in kind of a a free form Canvas page, I don't know that this would do anything useful because it really is meant to be used within the templates specifically, so for laying out your content types.

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Okay.

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Okay.
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So it's kind of like a it's a way to help you place those, the you know, use Canvas with those specific content types and place those those those, fields more more directly with Canvas.
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Got it.
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Okay.
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Correct.

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Okay.

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Yeah.
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I will say separately, I have another idea for a module.
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I might try vibe coding at some point, which is being able to use tokens inside the field mappings for, Canvas components, which I feel like could unlock some, you know, site building hackery that people might appreciate.

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Martin, I, I'm gonna let you know now in front of all of our Internet friends that, I'm I'm venturing into a Canvas project for a client right now.
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So I'm gonna I'm gonna definitely be reaching out to you quite a bit with a lot of lot of weird questions.
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So Hopefully, they'll

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be able to answer some of them at least.

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Brace yourself.
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Yeah.
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I mean, you're always very, very, helpful and resourceful in that area.
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So, alright.
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Any other thoughts on, Canvas field components before we before we move on?

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I think it's very exciting that, you are using AI to help you build as a fellow, I guess, vibe coder.
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I was a front end developer, and then my brain was like, I am tired.
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So let the robots help me build things for the robots.

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Very cool.

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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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And and I will say as an example that this module has way more automated test coverage than it would have had if I was sort of writing it all by hand.
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So there are definitely a number of ways in which this module is significantly more mature.
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Certainly, was created much quicker than I would have been able to do without those kinds of tools.

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Alright.
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I'm gonna ask the question because we've we've we've jumped into it.
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And, I can I'm I'm glad to see that Nick isn't, like, jumping out of his seat right now.
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That's great restraint on you, Nick.
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Question, Martin, did you review all of the tests that the code wrote before you, you committed them, or did you just run them and go, oh, they ran they ran works works okay?

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So I'll say a couple of things.
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So number one, I would say I definitely gave it more scrutiny where in the process of creating tests, it made changes to non test files.
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So, for example, there was a functional test that made some changes to my JavaScript file.
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So I definitely wanted to make sure that I was, very careful about introducing changes for the sake of tests on things that would actually impact, you know, sort of real world usage.
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I did also develop the test initial initially using codecs and then later on passed the entire module through Claude Code and asked it to sort of, you know, evaluate the tests, suggest other tests that, you know, some of which I I eventually went on to to add to sort of the testing suite.

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So it was sort of a combination of multiple models as well as, some oversight.
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But, but, yeah, I would say, you know, speaking honestly, my focus was really making sure that the the addition of tests wasn't, you know, breaking anything in sort of the main functionality of the of the actual module.
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So there's probably some additional work to be done there in terms of, you know, making sure that it's not, doing any weird tests that don't actually test anything, those kinds of things, which, you know, with AI is definitely a risk.
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But, yeah, that that's sort of my honest answer to that question.

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Yeah.
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And I I mean, I know that you're a very competent, back end developer.
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So, I mean, like, you you're probably very easily able to look at those and go, yeah.
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This one's good.
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This one, maybe not so much, which is always my concern with folks that are that are vibe coding is that, like, if they don't really understand it, but they think they kinda understand it, then it ends up in somebody's project and, you know, we're all doomed.

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Well, I I I will say, no matter how confident you are, it's you can't easily understand something that you didn't write.
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Right?
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You have to take if you don't take the time, which I I don't think this discussion is about.
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But if you don't take the time to, like, truly go through each line and understand what it's doing, you're not gonna understand what the test is doing, and you won't be able to say it's very, very, very hard to especially with tests to look at and be like, yeah.
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This is testing something valuable or not.

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Right?
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And so, yeah, we can't we can't we can't say that.
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You can look at it and be like, oh, this is doing something bizarre.
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This is doing but understanding if the test is valuable or not takes understanding the underlying code.
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If you didn't write that and didn't review that I'm not saying, Martin, you specifically.

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This is the general you.
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If you didn't write that or you didn't, take the time to understand it, you're you're not gonna be able to extend that to the test either.

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Not the not the Canadian you or the developer you, just the general The

00:13:11 [Tearyne]
royal you?

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Yeah.
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The yeah.
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The royal you.
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Point taken.

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Alright.
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Well, Martin, thank you for bringing us a, engaging module of the week this week.
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And if folks wanted to suggest a module, chat with you about this module, or just connect in general, how best could they do that?

00:13:30 [Martin]
So we are always happy to have discussions about current or potential modules of the week in the talking Drupal channel of Drupal Slack, or folks can reach out to me directly as Manclue on a variety of Drupal and social platforms.
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And I will also be at the Drupal AI Summit next week.
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So for any listeners who are planning to be there, please, drop by and say hello.

00:13:52 [John]
And that's in New York.
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Correct?

00:13:54 [Martin]
That is in New York.
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It's, actually collocated with API days.
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So for the discounted price of an AI summit ticket, you can actually see, the full suite of API days content, which is actually significantly more expensive.
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So it's actually a great deal.

00:14:10 [Nic]
Oh, pretty cool.

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Awesome.
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Thanks a lot, Martin.

00:14:13 [Nic]
Thanks, Martin.

00:14:14 [Martin]
Thanks, everyone.

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Alright.
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Let's jump into our primary topic.
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Couple couple housekeeping notes here before we before we do that.
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One is I'd like to say hi to Avi and Kevin who are apparently listening and commenting.
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If you are listening and you'd like to ask a question live because we are live streaming, you can do it.

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Kevin, I think, was commenting on my intro there, which I appreciate.
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It was less less than smooth, but thank you for the thank you for the, the the the the motivation.
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And then the other thing, hardly housekeeping, but did want to bring up that and congratulate April once again for winning the Aaron Winborn award this year, at DrupalCon.
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Big surprise.
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I always try to guess who the who the Aaron Winborn award winner is gonna be, and, like, I I kind of, like, build a list of people in my head.

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I will say that, April April was on that list, so I felt very, very happy about that.
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And then, your, your acceptance speech was lovely, and I was so happy that, you know, you you got this this prestigious award in the Drupal community.
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I could not think of anybody else, that it, should have gone to.
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So, yeah.
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Congratulations.

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And, it's back on the shelf there above your DrupalCon, and does light up, which we found out.
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Oh.
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So that's very, very cool.
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So I am gonna ask a question about about that.
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April, how how's it feel?

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How's it feel to be an Erin Winborn award winner?

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It feels great.
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I mean, I I appreciate everybody.
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You know, it's it's always good to be to feel seen, to feel like what you're doing is seen, with that.
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And, but there are definitely so many other people in the community doing amazing things as well.
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It's it's really hard.

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Like you said, there's there's a long list, and there's only one award a year.
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And so it's like, you know, who gets it next?
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You know?
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It it's a tough one.
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I guess now I have to vote.

00:16:29 [April]
So, we didn't meet it harder.

00:16:33 [John]
And you and you can't win it again.
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So, like, now you're Yeah.

00:16:37 [April]
I don't need to win it again.

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Now you're now you're like, okay.
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Well, you know, I can, I can, you know, vote vote for others?
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Although, I always thought that, like, voting for myself was weird.
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I mean, I'm assuming there are people that probably do that, but, like, I don't know.

00:16:50 [April]
Well, you definitely should nominate people.
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People on your list, you can nominate I think you can nominate as many people as you want.
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So just making sure that those people, are gonna be seen because I think that even if you don't win, you you get to hear what people say even if you don't win, which is kinda cool.

00:17:07 [Tearyne]
I

00:17:07 [April]
know there's, like, the Drupal things channel in Drupal Slack, but, like, it is kinda cool to, like, know the people who've nominated you for for the award.

00:17:15 [Tearyne]
I got nominated once, and I got an email about it, and it was very nice.
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It made me cry.
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Lots of things make me cry, but that was very nice.

00:17:22 [John]
Yeah.
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I'm always I'm always surprised.
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I'm always I'm always surprised if if and when I get, like I think one one year I did I did get a nomination.
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I was like, oh, wait.
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What?

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I was like, oh, look at that.
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That's nice.
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Thanks.
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I appreciate it.

00:17:35 [April]
You're doing great things in the community.
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You need to set set the

00:17:38 [Tearyne]
long

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before it there.

00:17:40 [Tearyne]
What is it?

00:17:40 [John]
Very very little.
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Very little.

00:17:42 [Tearyne]
He made a small sign if you are listening to this.

00:17:46 [John]
But, you're in you're in good company there.
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I won't mention other award winners or one one in particular because, you know, I just won't we can we can we can get on with the show.
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She knows who she is.

00:18:02 [Nic]
Yeah.
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So, let let's jump into the show.
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What is MoSA, and what, gap in the Drupal ecosystem was it created to fill?

00:18:12 [Tearyne]
Yep.
00:18:12 [Tearyne]
So MoSA stands for the Midwest Open Source Alliance, and, like, we'll talk about how we are more than the Midwest now.
00:18:19 [Tearyne]
But, we do fiscal sponsorship for different camps, initiatives, and, like, different programs that are running, in, Drupal and open source and beyond.
00:18:30 [Tearyne]
The reason why we got started is because there used to be a fiscal sponsorship that ran through the Drupal Association.
00:18:36 [Tearyne]
And then in August 2018, they stopped.

00:18:39 [Tearyne]
Part of that was because, you know, they didn't have enough folks to be able to do that.
00:18:44 [Tearyne]
They reduced in staff, and then there was a lot of stuff with, like, international monies and stuff.
00:18:49 [Tearyne]
Right?
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Drupal is used by everybody.
00:18:52 [Tearyne]
But then also there was a lot of stuff that was just going to North America, which as a former lead of diversity inclusion, I'm not gonna get on that soapbox because I'm here for most of today.

00:19:01 [Tearyne]
But, they pointed some of the camps toward using Open Collective as an alternative.
00:19:07 [Tearyne]
But for mid camp, they were like, look.
00:19:10 [Tearyne]
We've already paid our 5% to the Drupal Association, and then we don't wanna pay another 5% to the Open Collective Foundation because ones are already tight.
00:19:18 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:19:18 [Tearyne]
We'll talk about that.

00:19:19 [Nic]
Yep.

00:19:19 [Tearyne]
I'm sure I will kick back to April because April's the money person.
00:19:23 [Tearyne]
But, they had been kicking around their the idea of starting, five zero one c three to do fiscal sponsorship for themselves before the DA wasn't doing it anymore, so they just decided to do it.

00:19:37 [John]
Yeah.
00:19:38 [John]
I mean, I think I wanna define fiscal sponsorship a little bit because I think people that aren't aren't involved in events or aren't heavily into kind of these Drupal initiatives, might be like, I don't get it.
00:19:52 [John]
Fiscal sponsorship, what does that mean?
00:19:54 [John]
Right?
00:19:54 [John]
So, when you're and I'll I'll take this I'll take the point of, being a a a organizer for New England Drupal Camp.

00:20:03 [John]
Right?
00:20:04 [John]
And we've had a couple of different fiscal sponsors, most of being the latest and greatest.
00:20:11 [John]
But, like, fiscal sponsorship is basically like New England Drupal Camp as a as a an organization or a group of people organizing an event.
00:20:21 [John]
We're not officially a nonprofit.
00:20:23 [John]
We have not filled out that paperwork to say, Hey, we're we're gonna be a nonprofit.

00:20:29 [John]
So in order for us to, have a bank account, have insurance, have have all of the things that we need to do to be able to actually run run our event, we need a a fiscal sponsor or a sponsor.
00:20:43 [John]
So for New England Drupal Camp, we, originally were with the DA as our fiscal sponsor, and then we moved to, NERD, New England Regional Developers.
00:20:55 [John]
They were they set up a fiscal fiscal sponsorship.
00:20:58 [John]
And, in the just in the past year, we've actually moved to Moosa.
00:21:03 [John]
And we can maybe get into the reasons for that.

00:21:05 [John]
I don't know that we necessarily need to, but, you know, Moosa is is graciously providing us with a bank account, is, helping us to get, and pointing us in the right direction to get insurance, ensuring that our our, organizing team has certain insurances and and support in place.
00:21:27 [John]
So, like, that is crucially, necessary for, you know, not just not just events, but also initiatives and other other things happening in the Drupal community.
00:21:41 [John]
So we talked about what most is.
00:21:44 [John]
Let's talk a little bit about how it got started.
00:21:48 [John]
It doesn't sound like somebody just woke up one morning and was like, oh, hey.

00:21:52 [John]
You know what I'm gonna do?
00:21:55 [John]
Can you talk a little bit about that, April?

00:21:58 [April]
Yeah.
00:21:58 [April]
So, you know, like we were saying that the the Drupal Association was no longer going to be an option.
00:22:04 [April]
And if they moved to Open Collective Foundation, they were gonna get they're gonna have to pay kinda the 10% tax because you had to pay 5% platform, 5% for Open Collective Foundation.
00:22:15 [April]
Mhmm.
00:22:15 [April]
And so they got together also also with, Twin Cities, Drupal Camp, I believe, and I believe maybe Midwest Drupal Summit or something like that was also going on at the same time.

00:22:26 [April]
They just decided to start the nonprofit.
00:22:28 [April]
And so, yeah, it was mostly, like, Avi, Kevin, Andrea Soper, JD Flynn, some others got together and said, let's just make our own nonprofit.
00:22:38 [April]
And at the time, it was supporting just a couple of Drupal camps and I think maybe even WordPress.
00:22:45 [April]
That's why they they wanted to make it What?
00:22:47 [April]
More more open

00:22:49 [Tearyne]
Listen.
00:22:50 [Tearyne]
To

00:22:50 [April]
the source instead of just Drupal specific.
00:22:53 [April]
It it does have Drupal roots, though.
00:22:55 [April]
So yeah.
00:22:56 [April]
So they just decided, let's just make our own, and it was a very, like, bare bones.
00:23:01 [April]
We are a nonprofit, but we're not doing a whole lot because there's only a couple of us, you know, events.

00:23:09 [April]
But then in 2024, I I think, John, you were also, where you dropped no.
00:23:15 [April]
You weren't with Open Collective Foundation.
00:23:17 [April]
You were with NERD.
00:23:18 [April]
Right?

00:23:18 [Tearyne]
I was.

00:23:19 [April]
Was yeah.
00:23:20 [April]
So there was there were a number of events and initiatives that were, that did move to Open Collective Foundation because that just kinda was like, here's the path.
00:23:29 [April]
You know, go and do the thing and just do it.
00:23:32 [April]
And so Drupal Camp Asheville that I run was a part of that.
00:23:37 [April]
And so in 2024, they said, we're not gonna do this anymore.

00:23:41 [April]
You need to find a new home.
00:23:43 [April]
And so, you know, just speaking from that perspective, you know, there is a local nonprofit that I probably could have joined.
00:23:50 [April]
But what I felt was that, you know, with I knew Avi.
00:23:54 [April]
I knew Kevin.
00:23:55 [April]
I knew we had those the Drupal roots.

00:23:57 [April]
The values were the same, and the problem space was the same.
00:24:01 [April]
Like, we're doing events.
00:24:03 [April]
These are people who are doing the same kind of thing as me.
00:24:05 [April]
Otherwise, I would have had to kind of, like, figure it out how to make it work with the local ones.
00:24:11 [April]
So I decided to become Midwest adjacent and, and work together.

00:24:16 [April]
And so, like, a number of us, I think Stanford was a part of that, New Jersey.
00:24:21 [April]
I'm probably gonna leave some people out, but we all moved in its in Pacific Northwest Drupal Summit.
00:24:28 [April]
When we all came together, then we can all work on the same thing together.
00:24:31 [April]
Like, we're not having to come up with a an Asheville nonprofit or New Jersey nonprofit, a Pacific Northwest nonprofit.
00:24:40 [April]
So we could all work together, and we're all we know each other from from meeting in the community and things like that.

00:24:45 [April]
So there was some trust built there.

00:24:47 [Tearyne]
Mhmm.

00:24:47 [April]
And we were able to, you know, work together and to to build most up into something that can has a better foundation.
00:24:56 [April]
The trust was there.
00:24:57 [April]
It's just the formalities of things and making sure that, you know, everything is is good to go there.
00:25:02 [April]
And and then, you know, I was like, well, the the, you know, the the money has to be right.
00:25:08 [April]
Right?

00:25:08 [April]
So I was like, I'll I'll put my my name in the hat for treasurer.
00:25:13 [April]
So because that was something that was important to me.
00:25:15 [April]
And so Yeah.
00:25:16 [April]
That's something that I've contributed.
00:25:17 [April]
But, yeah, I think just us all coming together and and supporting each other, has been has been pretty good.

00:25:24 [April]
I mean, it's worked out pretty well.

00:25:26 [John]
I think I think you kinda, like, you kinda touched on something that's super super important there.
00:25:31 [John]
And and one of the one of the great things that that BOSA does provide is, like, not necessarily having to think about all the things that go into running a nonprofit.
00:25:42 [John]
Yes.
00:25:42 [John]
Because, like, ultimately, like, I I know this is true for me and and with New England Drupal Camp, like, there's a lot that goes into organizing an event, and I don't necessarily want all of the stuff that goes into building a nonprofit.
00:25:55 [John]
Like, I just don't I, like, don't want it.

00:25:58 [John]
And for me, like, the, you know, fiscal the fiscal sponsorship and the support that Moses provides in that area of, like, hey, we're gonna do the nonprofit stuff and provide all these services is, like, is so valuable.
00:26:10 [John]
And I think that a lot of the well, I'm not gonna speak for other camps that have joined, but I think the the feeling is probably the same there that they they wanna have these events, but they don't wanna have to go through the process of, like, creating a whole nonprofit just to do it.

00:26:25 [Tearyne]
Yeah.
00:26:26 [Tearyne]
I can actually speak to that a little bit because I've been doing, like, some video interviews with different member organizations than MoSA.
00:26:32 [Tearyne]
And what you said, John, like, is is repeated in a lot of the, interviews.
00:26:37 [Tearyne]
They say, you know, having the experience that I've had, like, being on, like, these bigger boards for bigger nonprofits, there's a lot of moving pieces.
00:26:46 [Tearyne]
There's a lot of law stuff that you have to worry about.

00:26:48 [Tearyne]
There's a lot of, can we take this contribution at this time?
00:26:51 [Tearyne]
Can we have an event in Canada that has come up from two of our organizations.
00:26:55 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:26:56 [Tearyne]
That one decouple days is doing that, like, in a couple few weeks.
00:27:01 [Tearyne]
I've lost track of time now.

00:27:03 [Tearyne]
I think Pacific Northwest campus considering it.
00:27:05 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:27:06 [Tearyne]
And so those are things that we can understand as an organization, as a fiscal sponsorship, and that scales up so that everybody can have access to that knowledge within the community.
00:27:17 [Tearyne]
So yeah.

00:27:20 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:27:20 [Nic]
I think, it so John talked a little bit about what the fiscal sponsorship means.
00:27:26 [Nic]
I think it's important to also call out that what it, you know, it doesn't mean that they give you money to run the camp.
00:27:31 [Nic]
Right?

00:27:32 [Tearyne]
Yeah.

00:27:34 [Nic]
April, is there anything else that you'd like to add to this, you know, bank account, insurance information, that kind of thing that the fiscal sponsor provides?
00:27:43 [Nic]
I I mean, I think some of it's accountability, right, for like, John, I'm part of the Nedcamp organizing team.
00:27:50 [Nic]
John gives us a budget, but, you know, there's another I I mean, I trust John anyway, but there's another layer that's kinda checking things.
00:28:00 [Nic]
Like, if we were to change, like, we kinda keep track of what the expenses are, what's coming in with the budget, make sure it makes sense, but there's also there's some in the past and now, most of kinda keeping an eye on things too.
00:28:12 [Nic]
What what other kinds of things does the fiscal sponsorship, provide?

00:28:18 [April]
I think it you know, in some ways, it's it brings a little bit of legitimacy to your event as well in the eyes of donors, in the eyes of, people who are are paying to come to your event.
00:28:30 [April]
And we have an accountant, so we all get to share an a legit accountant.
00:28:35 [April]
I'm not the one doing the books, just so you know.
00:28:38 [April]
But yeah.
00:28:39 [April]
So we have an accountant.

00:28:40 [April]
We provide, some ways to raise money.
00:28:44 [April]
So, like, we're using we're on a platform called Benevity that a lot of, like, I guess, maybe larger companies use to do donation matching.
00:28:52 [April]
So there's opportunities for, you know, different shared opportunities for people to donate, to your particular project through that way.
00:29:02 [April]
We do have, like, directors board of directors insurance.
00:29:06 [April]
So let's say if you if you were running your own event and you did not have, coverage in that way, you could be sued individually, and that's not the thing you know, you hope that that doesn't happen, but you don't know what could happen in the future.

00:29:23 [April]
So it it kind of allows you to have that legitimacy and that protection.
00:29:28 [April]
And, you know, the bank account, the credit card or the debit cards and things like that are are great.
00:29:35 [April]
Trying to think.
00:29:37 [April]
That that we definitely have some plans in the future to do more to support our events once we get kind of our our foundation set.
00:29:45 [April]
I know that Tearyne has been doing a lot of the videos and things like that to maybe start up some social media presence to do some marketing for most of events and initiatives.

00:29:55 [April]
And then I know this is something that, you know, others other member orgs have really been interested in, but, like, a shared sponsorship option where you could, you know, centrally sponsor all the most events or initiatives or whatever in a program that is most a level, and then that money can go to events.
00:30:16 [April]
So that would be a way where we could assist in fundraising for individual events in that way.
00:30:23 [April]
And there are some sponsors that don't wanna sponsor a small individual camp, but they they see that model as being, something that they could participate in.
00:30:32 [April]
So it would be money that we normally wouldn't get as an individual event.

00:30:37 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:30:37 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:30:38 [Nic]
That make that makes sense.
00:30:39 [Nic]
Like, bigger grants can be like, it can take thirty, forty hours of work to put together a big grant.
00:30:45 [Nic]
And Mhmm.

00:30:46 [Nic]
They're they're probably not gonna entertain, like, hey.
00:30:48 [Nic]
You know, this small camp in New England needs $4,000.
00:30:53 [Nic]
Like, their if their grants are, like, $50,102 $100,000 or something, but mostly can be like, hey.
00:30:58 [Nic]
We sponsor, 55 events in North America.
00:31:03 [Nic]
Somebody on the team can do that.

00:31:05 [Nic]
Mostly takes a cut to cover that and, you know, whatever services you need to provide, and then the rest of it gets divided out to the the organizations that need it.
00:31:14 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:31:14 [Nic]
That that's a, that's an avenue for some really interesting funding models.

00:31:21 [John]
It I mean, it's super powerful.
00:31:22 [John]
Right?
00:31:22 [John]
It it it provides it provides a lot a a lot more a, it provides a lot more benefit to the to the sponsor or the or the the grantor.
00:31:31 [John]
Right?
00:31:32 [John]
And then it also provides a lot of a lot of benefit to the events or initiatives.

00:31:39 [John]
One thing I did wanna jump in or add to what April was saying is, like, as a as an event organizer, you don't really necessarily think of, like, when you're like, oh, I wanna start an event.
00:31:52 [John]
You don't really think of, like, the paperwork.
00:31:55 [John]
Where where does the money go?
00:31:57 [John]
Right?
00:31:57 [John]
Like, hey.

00:31:58 [John]
I'm I'm selling tickets.
00:31:59 [John]
Okay.
00:31:59 [John]
Well, I can't put that money into my personal bank account because that would just be weird.
00:32:03 [John]
And maybe you do that, but, like, it doesn't So you

00:32:06 [April]
have to pay taxes on it personally.

00:32:08 [John]
Exactly.
00:32:08 [John]
It doesn't feel great.
00:32:09 [John]
It doesn't so, like, one of the nice things about Mosa is Mosa works with, Relay, and Relay provides you with a bank account.
00:32:18 [John]
It provides you with that insight into where your money's coming in, where your money's going out.
00:32:23 [John]
It provides you with a credit card, which is I know some some people are like, well, why do you need a credit card?

00:32:28 [John]
But, like, listen.
00:32:28 [John]
When I'm when I'm I have to pay a vendor or I have to pay, you know, for for an after party or something like that, it's a lot easier to give them a credit card and go, here you go, than it is to to try to, like, figure out how to write them a check or, you know

00:32:41 [Nic]
An invoice.

00:32:42 [John]
Walking around with, you know, handfuls of money and that sort of thing.

00:32:45 [Tearyne]
So,

00:32:46 [John]
I mean, I think there are a lot of great a lot of great things that come out of, you know, the the services that most provides, you know, and it's worth worth highlighting those.
00:32:57 [John]
So we we've mentioned mid camp.
00:33:00 [John]
I don't know that we've directly, listed all of the projects and camps and initiatives that MOSA currently supports.
00:33:08 [John]
But, you know, I think it's I think it's probably worth, you know, trying trying to name name some of those.
00:33:15 [John]
April, can you can you kinda tell us what are some of the some of the events and and initiatives that most supports?

00:33:21 [April]
I'm gonna let Karen take that one.
00:33:23 [April]
She I think she has a list ready.
00:33:24 [April]
She's ready.

00:33:25 [Tearyne]
I do.
00:33:26 [Tearyne]
Awesome.
00:33:26 [Tearyne]
I spent time practicing with Claude before I got on here.
00:33:29 [Tearyne]
So, a lot of people know about MidCamp.
00:33:32 [Tearyne]
We've been talking about MidCamp a lot.

00:33:34 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:33:35 [Tearyne]
But we sponsor, like, a gamut of different, like, organizations and causes within the Drupal ecosystem outside of it.
00:33:43 [Tearyne]
The biggest camps, mid camp, we have decoupled days, which was in New York at one point, and then now they're gonna be in Canada.
00:33:52 [Tearyne]
And so being able to help them understand what goes into doing an event here sometimes, but across the border other times, that's important.
00:34:01 [Tearyne]
Also, a huge one that I think that everybody in the Drupal ecosystem benefits from, the the Drupal recording initiative that Kevin Thull runs and now has, like, people helping him with.

00:34:12 [Tearyne]
That is huge.
00:34:13 [Tearyne]
Imagine, if you will, that you're a person that is going from camp to camp to camp, recording all of the talks that everyone is doing and making sure that everybody hits that big red button.
00:34:24 [Tearyne]
And then on top of all the other technical, like, doodads that you have to keep track of and make sure that everybody knows how to use, Now you've also got to make sure that you have your own nonprofit and or you figure out how that money is gonna be handled.
00:34:38 [Tearyne]
That's

00:34:39 [April]
Or you pay taxes on it.

00:34:40 [Tearyne]
And you have to pay taxes on

00:34:42 [April]
it.
00:34:42 [April]
Yeah.

00:34:43 [John]
So, I see Kevin has mentioned in the in the chat here, that, there are other member orgs that came from smaller nonprofits that might not have necessarily aligned with, you know, the the event model or with their with their goals.
00:35:03 [John]
Can you talk about a couple of those?

00:35:07 [Tearyne]
Which ones is Kevin specifically talking about?
00:35:09 [Tearyne]
April, do you know?

00:35:11 [Nic]
Maybe he's talking about the Drupal recording initiative.

00:35:13 [John]
May maybe he's talking about that or or may or maybe he's talking about this very

00:35:18 [Nic]
this very

00:35:18 [John]
live stream and podcast because we we are actually Oh, yes.

00:35:22 [Nic]
You and I'm new members.

00:35:24 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:35:24 [Tearyne]
I was gonna say New members.

00:35:27 [John]
To to most, and, you know, we we can definitely appreciate that as we as we had, you know, we had our own troubles and tribulations with, some other other, organizations that did did the services that you guys did.
00:35:42 [John]
So I I

00:35:42 [Nic]
have friends Mhmm.
00:35:43 [Nic]
I have friends that have run nonprofits too.
00:35:46 [Nic]
I have friends that run nonprofits too.
00:35:47 [Nic]
And one of the other benefits that people may not know is if you decide to dissolve, dissolving a nonprofit is a process.
00:36:00 [Nic]
And for good reason.

00:36:00 [Nic]
Right?
00:36:01 [Nic]
You wanted to make Mhmm.
00:36:02 [Nic]
You don't want somebody to start a nonprofit, take a bunch of donations, go like, oh, this is a lot of money.
00:36:06 [Nic]
I'm just in the nonprofit.
00:36:08 [Nic]
Right?

00:36:08 [Nic]
But if you have kind of a central organization like MOSA, you if Nedcamp decided next year, hey.
00:36:16 [Nic]
We're not gonna do it anymore.
00:36:18 [Nic]
We could, you know, know, that money we could just donate that money back to Mosa and some other org some other camp will get it.
00:36:24 [Nic]
Or maybe it just sits in Mosa for a couple years and we decide we wanna come back, we come back.
00:36:28 [Nic]
But, eventually, that money could just go to other organizations.

00:36:31 [Nic]
You don't have to, like, worry about all the extra like, we closed down.
00:36:35 [Nic]
This penny went there.
00:36:36 [Nic]
That because you have to account for every last penny at that point.
00:36:39 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:36:40 [Nic]
And and I have like I said, I have friends that started nonprofits with good intentions, and, it was self funded.

00:36:46 [Nic]
And they were like, you know what?
00:36:47 [Nic]
This particular one's not going anywhere.
00:36:49 [Nic]
They focused efforts on another one, and it took them thousands and thousands of dollars and hours to just basically close down one that wasn't doing anything to move it to the one that was doing stuff.
00:36:59 [Nic]
And it's, having something that's kind of ongoing and spreading that.
00:37:04 [Nic]
Like, most is there's gonna be need for most of her no matter what individual events decide to do.

00:37:10 [Nic]
And so that's a that's a huge, huge benefit too.
00:37:17 [Nic]
DCNJ?
00:37:19 [Nic]
Drupal Camp, New Jersey.

00:37:20 [Tearyne]
New Jersey.

00:37:20 [Nic]
Oh, Drupal Camp, New Jersey.

00:37:22 [April]
Their story.
00:37:23 [April]
I feel like I should know their story.
00:37:26 [April]
I think But, yeah, we have had that

00:37:28 [John]
going back to, Kevin's point about a smaller org being part of a maybe larger nonprofit.

00:37:34 [April]
And Kevin did point out like, the event space too.
00:37:37 [April]
Yeah.

00:37:38 [Tearyne]
Mhmm.
00:37:38 [Tearyne]
Kevin also pointed out in the comments that there have been, non MOSA camps that have donated their funds to us.
00:37:45 [Tearyne]
I think that Texas Triple Camp was not a part of MOSA.
00:37:49 [Tearyne]
Correct?
00:37:50 [Tearyne]
I believe so.

00:37:51 [April]
And I see one wasn't early on.
00:37:53 [April]
Yeah.
00:37:53 [April]
Yeah.

00:37:54 [John]
And

00:37:54 [April]
I think Triple Corn.

00:37:56 [Tearyne]
Mhmm.
00:37:57 [Tearyne]
And Texas Triple Corn is very important to me.
00:37:59 [Tearyne]
That was the first place that I ever spoke at.
00:38:02 [Tearyne]
And then they ended up dissolving, and we've actually we received those funds.
00:38:06 [Tearyne]
And now there are groups in Texas that are, trying to start up again.

00:38:10 [Tearyne]
And so we're actually working with them and having the conversation of, okay.
00:38:14 [Tearyne]
How does that work out?
00:38:15 [Tearyne]
Because if y'all don't know, Texas is a very big state.
00:38:18 [Tearyne]
There could probably be, like, at least five other states.
00:38:21 [Tearyne]
And it's to have some place that's starting, like, just in Central Texas.

00:38:25 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:38:26 [Tearyne]
And then all of that money go to one organization.
00:38:29 [Tearyne]
Does that make sense for us to do?
00:38:31 [Tearyne]
And so it's it's a big conversation that you don't wanna have by yourself necessarily, and so we are happy to help him work through that.

00:38:41 [John]
Kevin is is raising some other great camps and and points here in the in the chat.
00:38:46 [John]
I do wanna bring up his last one.
00:38:48 [John]
He said DrupalCon, but, yeah, Mosa helped

00:38:51 [Tearyne]
Oh, Corn.
00:38:51 [Tearyne]
Corn.
00:38:52 [Tearyne]
It looks like an

00:38:53 [John]
Horn.
00:38:53 [John]
Oh, I'm sorry.
00:38:55 [John]
Pesky Chants.
00:38:56 [John]
I'm I'm sorry.
00:38:56 [John]
So, yes, that says Drupalcorn, but it also made me remember that, you guys also helped with the, twenty fifth anniversary gala at DrupalCon this year.

00:39:07 [John]
Right?

00:39:07 [Nic]
Yes.
00:39:08 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:39:08 [Nic]
Okay.

00:39:09 [John]
Right.
00:39:09 [John]
So that's one of those initiatives, not necessarily I mean, it is an event, I guess, but, it's also one of those initiatives that, you know, is is bringing bringing people together and, and supporting supporting the, the Drupal community.
00:39:24 [John]
So that's awesome.

00:39:25 [Tearyne]
Imagine if you had to start an entire nonprofit just for that and then had to dissolve it.

00:39:30 [John]
Listen.
00:39:30 [John]
Every time you guys say that, I a certain level of anxiety anxiety buildup.
00:39:35 [John]
And then Nick started talking about dissolving it, and I was like, it started getting higher.
00:39:39 [John]
And I was like, Yeah.
00:39:42 [John]
Like, I'm Yeah.

00:39:42 [Nic]
It's it's it's sweaty.
00:39:45 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:39:45 [Nic]
It's a it's a big thing.
00:39:47 [Nic]
It's very easy to it's very easy to it's very easy to start the nonprofit.
00:39:52 [Nic]
Right?

00:39:52 [Nic]
There's a lot of stuff that goes into maintaining it and getting rid of it, but starting one kind of belies the amount of maintenance that it takes to to keep it keep track

00:40:01 [John]
of it.
00:40:01 [John]
I mean, just like and I'm just thinking I'm going through all the steps now in my head.
00:40:05 [John]
I I'm spiraling, guys.
00:40:07 [John]
But, like, just starting the nonprofit, filling out the paperwork, registering with the government, doing your taxes every year.

00:40:14 [April]
Yep.
00:40:15 [April]
So so we let Avi and Kevin and all of them figure that out for us.
00:40:19 [April]
And then Darren and I just joined, and we just didn't, you know, support it yet.

00:40:23 [Tearyne]
They invited me to a meeting, and they were like, oh, yeah.
00:40:26 [Tearyne]
We need a vice president.
00:40:26 [Tearyne]
And I was like, oh, I've done that before, and they're like, that's why we invited you to to the meeting.
00:40:30 [Tearyne]
And I was like, oh, I thought it was for the free cookies.

00:40:32 [John]
So so we we we don't actually sorry, Nick.
00:40:35 [John]
We don't actually, I think, have a question about this, but somebody is asking, if Mosa could be the fiscal sponsor for the Drupal CRM initiative.
00:40:46 [John]
And I'm gonna, like, step back a little bit here and not specifically talk about the Drupal CRM initiative, great initiative.
00:40:56 [John]
But, like, is there a way that these initiatives and organizations can come to Mosta and and join and and be a member?
00:41:04 [John]
And, like, what does that look like?

00:41:07 [Tearyne]
April, you wanna do that

00:41:08 [April]
one?
00:41:08 [April]
Yeah.
00:41:08 [April]
I mean, there's definitely I believe I don't know if our website shows, like, an application process, but there is an application process.
00:41:14 [April]
And then we, take we take into consideration I'm I'm reading Kevin's comments.
00:41:20 [April]
We take into consideration, you know, what your initiative is, and and do you have funding already?

00:41:26 [April]
And just kind of, like, talk through the things that we need to figure out before we say yes or no.
00:41:31 [April]
And, and and if we can support, that initiative.
00:41:35 [April]
So, yeah, we're definitely open to conversations.

00:41:40 [Nic]
Awesome.
00:41:41 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:41:41 [Nic]
So so it sounds like you can help non non events too.
00:41:44 [Nic]
So Yeah.
00:41:45 [Nic]
Yes.

00:41:46 [Tearyne]
I guess, like, just add, like, one more small thing onto that.
00:41:50 [Tearyne]
When we say, like, we are gonna think about it, it's not because, well, you're trying to kick a can down the road.
00:41:56 [Tearyne]
One of the reasons why I ended up becoming part of the board for most of it is because the people that have been running this, their biggest value is that we don't wanna mess up.
00:42:08 [Tearyne]
A lot of us know what it's like going from one fiscal sponsor to another fiscal sponsor, and we don't want anybody to have to do that.
00:42:14 [Tearyne]
Right?

00:42:15 [Tearyne]
It feels like it's just transferring your money from one place to another, but there's so many other things.
00:42:19 [Tearyne]
No.
00:42:20 [Tearyne]
It isn't.
00:42:20 [Tearyne]
Right?

00:42:21 [John]
There's also there's also danger, right, that if if you you guys accelerate and grow too quickly that, like, you'll end up in that scenario of being like, oh, crap.
00:42:32 [John]
Like, where are we?
00:42:33 [John]
Right?

00:42:34 [Tearyne]
Yeah.

00:42:34 [John]
So, like, I as a member, a very new member, appreciate kind of the methodical, like, you know, approach to to that process.

00:42:45 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:42:48 [Nic]
So kinda getting back to Drupal specifically Mhmm.
00:42:54 [Nic]
How how else can you help Drupal communities kinda grow?
00:42:58 [Nic]
I I think, obviously, the biggest one is having regular, consistent events is good for the community.
00:43:05 [Nic]
But what are the things are some of the benefits of most of the Drupal community for local Drupal communities?

00:43:11 [Tearyne]
I feel like the biggest one that we've been talking about a lot, right, is having that stability for camps.
00:43:16 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:43:17 [Tearyne]
You know, I just focus on putting on my event.
00:43:19 [Tearyne]
I focus on, you know, paying my dues, and I'm not getting charged.
00:43:23 [Tearyne]
What is it?

00:43:24 [Tearyne]
12 15 times 12.
00:43:26 [Tearyne]
And why am I doing math on a live show?
00:43:28 [Tearyne]
That's the $15 a month adds up, right, for an organization, and that money could go toward, like, doing bags.
00:43:35 [Tearyne]
It could go toward helping speakers to even get to the event.
00:43:38 [Tearyne]
Right?

00:43:39 [Tearyne]
You don't have to worry about those things, as being part of MOSA.
00:43:44 [Tearyne]
I think we'll talk about it later, but we also help the camps be able to focus on the regional and local concerns and not these, like, big overarching issues.
00:43:56 [Tearyne]
I was talking with April at DrupalCon after a couple of those, the what was it?
00:44:01 [Tearyne]
The quarter century little little bigger things that they gave us.
00:44:03 [Tearyne]
And I was like, April, but what if we just made all of these templates?

00:44:07 [Tearyne]
And I have a piece of paper somewhere that's got, like, all of these plans for infrastructure because I love infrastructure.
00:44:13 [Tearyne]
But things that we can build out so that if you are a group of people in the middle of Moline, Illinois where I grew up in sixth grade, and you decide that you wanna have your own little Drupal users group, then we have a template, and you can do that, and then you can become a member.

00:44:29 [John]
So one one one idea or thought is like and and this goes along with your your nickel and diming.
00:44:37 [John]
Your nickel and diming thing is like, shared services.
00:44:40 [John]
Right?

00:44:40 [Tearyne]
Mhmm.

00:44:41 [John]
So, like, obviously, everybody is using Relay, which is great, but, like, Zoom, like, a shared, you know, Zoom or or some sort of I don't know.
00:44:52 [John]
I don't know how Zoom exactly works.
00:44:53 [John]
If you can do shared or if you have to, like, buy, like, a a big account or whatever, but, like, just some of those services that, like, you know and and easy onboarding and and onto those services.
00:45:04 [John]
I know when we were with Nerd, there was an option to have, like, a a collective, Google, suite, setup.

00:45:15 [April]
Google Workspace.
00:45:16 [April]
Yeah.

00:45:17 [John]
Yeah.
00:45:17 [John]
But what part of the problem there was there wasn't really any clear onboarding instructions or any any real, like, clear, like, how to get it done.
00:45:26 [John]
Right?
00:45:28 [John]
And I know for New England Drupal Camp, like, we have Zoom accounts.
00:45:31 [John]
We have, you know, we have Google Workspaces.

00:45:34 [John]
We have, a couple other services.
00:45:37 [John]
Mailchimp is one of them that we, like, we use, for for the camp.
00:45:41 [John]
And and some of that is just, like, the cost of doing business.
00:45:44 [John]
Right?
00:45:44 [John]
But, like, where we can, you know, again, collectively come together as a group and say, hey.

00:45:50 [John]
We're all using this, and it would behoove us all to to to try to to reduce our cost to use this service, like, makes a lot of sense.
00:45:59 [John]
And not because cheap, but because, you know, it's a it's a open source nonprofit event.
00:46:05 [John]
Like, we're not not doing it to make money.

00:46:08 [April]
The money can go to better things and then support the events and really support the community.

00:46:13 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:46:13 [Nic]
Absolutely.
00:46:14 [Nic]
I I mean, there's there's other places too.
00:46:16 [Nic]
Right?
00:46:17 [Nic]
But, again, longer term because this is an evolving thing.

00:46:20 [Nic]
But things like, you know, New England Drupal Camp's website is partially on the event platform, partially not.
00:46:29 [Nic]
And, you know, we we've rebuilt the site at this point.

00:46:31 [John]
I mean, it is.

00:46:33 [Nic]
It it sort of is.

00:46:34 [John]
It's it's it's evolved

00:46:36 [Nic]
from that.
00:46:37 [Nic]
We we've rebuilt the site three or four times, and we we still have databases from the older version.
00:46:42 [Nic]
So we have the old speaker information, but it's not publicly available anywhere.
00:46:47 [Nic]
Right?
00:46:48 [Nic]
Only the last couple of years.

00:46:49 [Nic]
So, like, things like if if funding for that to get an upgrade path, funding for that to get a way to import some of those data to present like, recommendations.
00:46:58 [Nic]
Because, like, I would love to present we've we've been running the camp now for, what, eleven years, twelve years?
00:47:03 [Nic]
And we only have two years worth of speakers.
00:47:07 [Nic]
And I think it's a shame that I mean, most of the stuff is on the Drupal recording initiative.
00:47:10 [Nic]
It's on drupal.tv, I think.

00:47:12 [Nic]
Right?
00:47:13 [Nic]
So people do have a place they can reference, but the website should show what people spoke when and where and what they spoke about.
00:47:19 [Nic]
Right?

00:47:20 [John]
I we don't have to have this debate now.
00:47:23 [John]
I do agree with you that it would be nice it would be nice to to have that information, and it would be it would it would provide, you know, gravitas to our event.
00:47:33 [John]
But I also cannot remember the last time that I went to a conference website to find a session that I saw at a conference.
00:47:41 [John]
Typically, I either just drop it into Google or I go to go to YouTube and I search for it.
00:47:45 [John]
So maybe maybe that's just me.

00:47:47 [Nic]
Yes.
00:47:48 [Nic]
But there's no link to if there's no website that, like, has that information, then I'm not gonna find it.

00:47:53 [Tearyne]
Also, John, it's not just you looking it up anymore.
00:47:56 [Tearyne]
There's the agents Yeah.
00:47:57 [Tearyne]
The AI agents, they might be looking for it.

00:47:59 [John]
No.
00:48:00 [John]
No.

00:48:00 [Tearyne]
See, I do.
00:48:01 [Tearyne]
Not.
00:48:01 [Tearyne]
They're watching

00:48:01 [John]
me.
00:48:02 [John]
They're not doing that.

00:48:03 [Tearyne]
They're watching this podcast right now.

00:48:05 [John]
Alright.
00:48:06 [John]
Moving right along.

00:48:07 [April]
I I do wanna say, like, you know, we have shared tooling, but another thing that we try not to do is to interfere with what other events wanna do.
00:48:16 [April]
Like, we're not gonna come in and dictate that you need to use Zoom, that you need to be on the event platform.
00:48:22 [April]
We try to let it go a little bit more organically and just provide shared resources that do make sense for all of us to share.

00:48:31 [John]
Yeah.
00:48:31 [John]
I I will say that that that is, when when switching fiscal sponsors, I was kinda like, we're kinda, like, left to our own devices right now.
00:48:41 [John]
Like, what is what is, like, joining mostly gonna look like?
00:48:44 [John]
And, like, is it gonna be, like, a lot of, like, oversight?
00:48:47 [John]
And, no.

00:48:48 [John]
You guys are like, you know, there are some some things

00:48:52 [April]
built that is built on trust, though.
00:48:54 [April]
It's not that we're like, you can do whatever you wanna do.
00:48:57 [April]
We trust we trust you.
00:48:59 [April]
We bring people on that we can build trust with.
00:49:03 [April]
Because, yeah, because we are all doing this as volunteers.

00:49:07 [April]
So we are not you know, the oversight will come from, like, the accountant will say, what is this expense?
00:49:12 [April]
Because he knows things, and he can ask me and I can ask, you know, an org.
00:49:16 [April]
And and using Relay has been really good for that because you can put up the invoices, and you can talk about what each expense is if you, you know, wanna keep your books in a better better way, transparent way.
00:49:27 [April]
So Should we not be trusting you, John?

00:49:31 [John]
No.
00:49:31 [John]
No.
00:49:31 [John]
No.
00:49:32 [John]
You can you can trust me.
00:49:33 [John]
I I just, you know, my my my invoice uploading is is, is is behind.

00:49:41 [John]
But

00:49:41 [Tearyne]
Oh, yeah.
00:49:42 [Tearyne]
I feel

00:49:42 [John]
They're all legitimate expenses.
00:49:44 [John]
I just you know?
00:49:46 [John]
Anyway

00:49:47 [Nic]
Can I get access to Relay for Nedcamp?

00:49:50 [April]
Right right now.
00:49:51 [April]
Let's do it live.

00:49:51 [Tearyne]
Let's do it live.
00:49:53 [Tearyne]
Avi.

00:49:53 [John]
That's That's a that's a great that's actually a great question.
00:49:56 [John]
I would imagine that somebody else could get access if they wanted to, like, double check my math or make sure that I'm not going on big expensive vacations on Ned Camp's dime.
00:50:05 [John]
But,

00:50:06 [Nic]
no.
00:50:06 [Nic]
I'll I'll be honest.

00:50:07 [April]
The lottery.
00:50:08 [April]
Right?
00:50:08 [April]
It's if you win the lottery.
00:50:09 [April]
It's not with yeah.
00:50:10 [April]
I have a bus.

00:50:11 [April]
It's with you, Lynn, win the lottery, then Nick has to just pick up the pieces and and figure it out.

00:50:16 [Nic]
I'll be honest.
00:50:17 [Nic]
I think one of the Mhmm.
00:50:18 [Nic]
The hardest part about the accounting, really, is that the and this is true of any accounting probably, but I think for volunteers and for people that aren't doing this as their job, I think, honestly, the hardest part is the spread out, that everything is spread out.
00:50:34 [Nic]
Right?
00:50:35 [Nic]
So, like, the donations come in over time, the tickets are purchased over time, the event happens, but then all it it there's it's hard to be like, this is when this event ended funding cycle, and this is when it started.

00:50:48 [Nic]
Like, most businesses have, like, a a a fiscal year.
00:50:51 [Nic]
Right?
00:50:51 [Nic]
So it's, like, June to June or December to December, whatever.
00:50:54 [Nic]
And you just know, like, okay.
00:50:55 [Nic]
This is when it ends.

00:50:56 [Nic]
This is where it starts.
00:50:56 [Nic]
But camps, like, are a little bit more amorphous than that.
00:50:59 [Nic]
So it's sometimes hard to be like, well, it like, the event happens in November, and usually it's not until, like, February that we know for sure, like, okay.
00:51:07 [Nic]
This is what we actually have in our bank account after we paid every vendor.

00:51:12 [John]
So I will say that process will be a lot quicker now because we're using Mosa and and not to get into the weeds too much of why that process took a long time.
00:51:23 [John]
But, with our our previous fiscal sponsor, we were using a collective Stripe account.
00:51:31 [John]
So all of the Stripe funds would go into a, general bank account.
00:51:37 [John]
And then from that general account, they had to be moved into our specific budget for our camp.
00:51:43 [John]
So I had to go in and kind of audit Stripe to figure out what expenses were actual or what, deposits were actually ours and then go through the process of getting that money transferred out of the general account into a specific our our specific account.

00:51:58 [John]
So that all took time, and then our vendors would send an invoice, you know, for a camp in November.
00:52:05 [John]
Maybe they'd send it in December.
00:52:06 [John]
Maybe they'd send it in January.
00:52:10 [John]
And then we'd pay it.
00:52:10 [John]
And then then I'd know, okay.

00:52:12 [John]
Well, now we have now we now we have this much money for next year's camp.
00:52:17 [John]
But because, you know, most of it has the structure set up, we have access direct access to our own bank account.
00:52:23 [John]
We can see all the money going in.
00:52:24 [John]
We see all the money going out.
00:52:26 [John]
It's relatively quick.

00:52:26 [John]
I think it's, like, within a day, you can see see the transactions, if not sooner.
00:52:31 [John]
Okay.
00:52:31 [John]
So, I would anticipate that this year, all of that will be a lot faster.

00:52:36 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:52:37 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:52:37 [Nic]
Yeah.
00:52:37 [Nic]
But it's also like a company says they're gonna they're gonna sponsor it, but then they take three months to depart.
00:52:43 [Nic]
Like, it just the counting around this type of workflow is is painful in general, I think, too.

00:52:48 [Tearyne]
The this is a question that y'all kinda had for us for later, but I feel like we're on the topic now.
00:52:54 [Tearyne]
Y'all were gonna ask us about, like, how most it has evolved, like, recently.
00:52:58 [Tearyne]
And even being able to use Relay and have something to where, we did an event for Drupal Diversity and Inclusion Initiative, in Atlanta, last year.
00:53:07 [Tearyne]
Yes.
00:53:09 [Tearyne]
To where we had a mixer for everybody at, like, this little, like, dive bar, and we, like, got food from the place across the street.

00:53:17 [Tearyne]
And in order to do that, we didn't have to, like, pay out of our pockets.
00:53:21 [Tearyne]
There was, like, a debit card that we could use because we had Relay to be able to do that.
00:53:25 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:53:25 [Tearyne]
And we could see it online, and we could submit the invoices.
00:53:28 [Tearyne]
And I know when, my co lead at the time, Faye Lauren, when they were trying to get us set up initially.

00:53:35 [Tearyne]
Part of the reason why I'm sitting on here doing this now is because Faye lives in Canada.
00:53:40 [Tearyne]
And in order for Faye to work with Chase Bank, Faye would have had to, like, drive.
00:53:45 [Tearyne]
I think it was, like, two or three hours in order to do that.
00:53:48 [Tearyne]
I know when I tried to set up my Chase Bank account

00:53:50 [John]
And and cross the border?
00:53:51 [John]
Is that

00:53:51 [Tearyne]
Across the border?
00:53:52 [Tearyne]
Yeah.
00:53:53 [Tearyne]
During that time?

00:53:54 [John]
Mhmm.
00:53:54 [John]
Mhmm.
00:53:55 [John]
Don't don't don't, don't undersell the complexity of border crossing.

00:53:59 [Tearyne]
Yes.
00:54:00 [Tearyne]
I'm trying to not get on that soapbox, but, yes, definitely.
00:54:03 [Tearyne]
Yeah.
00:54:04 [Tearyne]
And then I know when I went to go set up a Chase Bank because I have changed my last name after I got married.
00:54:09 [Tearyne]
It was Glover before.

00:54:11 [Tearyne]
It's twice as long now, Almendarez.
00:54:13 [Tearyne]
I went to Chase, and they're like, we don't know who this is.
00:54:15 [Tearyne]
And I'm like, do do you guys have me stored as a string and not an integer?
00:54:19 [Tearyne]
What is going on?
00:54:20 [Tearyne]
And so it failed, like, multiple times.

00:54:22 [Tearyne]
So those there have been a lot of changes over time too to You didn't

00:54:26 [John]
you didn't travel around for a year with a marriage certificate in your pocket.

00:54:30 [Tearyne]
I did actually because my passport was still in my maiden name, and I still need to get a new one.

00:54:36 [April]
Alright.
00:54:37 [April]
It's fine.

00:54:38 [Tearyne]
Listen.
00:54:38 [Tearyne]
Yeah.

00:54:38 [April]
I mean, the the bank account thing is actually something that came about when a lot of us, including Asheville and Stanford Webcamp and all of them, we all moved.
00:54:49 [April]
If you had less than $2,000 in your checking account with Chase, which is what, Bosa used initially, then you had to pay $15 a month fee.
00:54:58 [April]
And so since a lot of our events, we try to break even for the most part.
00:55:02 [April]
We try to put all the money into the event and really support the community.
00:55:06 [April]
That was an issue.

00:55:07 [April]
Like, we didn't wanna lose $15 a month.
00:55:09 [April]
And so we did some research and found Relay as an opportunity to use it so they don't have minimum balances and would allow us to have all the multiple accounts, things like that.
00:55:20 [April]
So that was something that came up as a need for my for a camp, a member org.
00:55:24 [April]
And we just, you know, said, okay.
00:55:26 [April]
Well, let's research it and see if we can solve the problem.

00:55:30 [April]
Yeah.

00:55:31 [John]
And I will say, Kevin brings up a a great point here is that, like, member orgs can link up their own third party services.
00:55:38 [John]
Right?
00:55:38 [John]
So, like, the problem I was talking to, talking about prior where we were all kinda using a one Slack and one bank account.
00:55:45 [John]
Now we have our I'm sorry.
00:55:46 [John]
Not Slack.

00:55:47 [John]
Stripe.
00:55:48 [John]
Now we have our own Stripe.
00:55:50 [John]
It goes into our own bank account.
00:55:51 [John]
We also have virtual cards and physical cards.
00:55:54 [John]
So that way, like, all of our services go to our virtual card.

00:55:57 [John]
If I need to, like, buy something, I can I can pay for it with a physical card?
00:56:01 [John]
Like, it's just it it's set up very nicely to be able to be like, hey.
00:56:07 [John]
I just wanna run my event.
00:56:10 [John]
I do wanna dive in a little bit to MOSA membership, right, and what that looks like.
00:56:16 [John]
And, you know, we we answered the question earlier about how people can can kinda get involved or get, you know, onboarded to MoSA.

00:56:24 [John]
But once they're on onboarded, what does that look like?

00:56:29 [Tearyne]
Yep.
00:56:30 [Tearyne]
We've actually made some shifts to this.
00:56:32 [Tearyne]
When I came on as vice president on the board, we were initially having meetings every single month, to talk about the work that we needed to get done.
00:56:42 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:56:43 [Tearyne]
Especially for a group of people that are volunteers, volunteering on top of their jobs, and then any other volunteer things that they might be doing because we know people that volunteer volunteer for everything.

00:56:54 [Nic]
Yeah.

00:56:55 [Tearyne]
That's a lot of time, especially to talk about what needs to get done.
00:57:01 [Tearyne]
So as a member of MOSA, we have four board meetings that happen.
00:57:06 [Tearyne]
They are on a quarterly basis.
00:57:08 [Tearyne]
And we ask that you come and that you speak about the things that you need.
00:57:13 [Tearyne]
We send out an agenda, letting people know, here is what is happening.

00:57:18 [Tearyne]
Here's the progress being made on the work items that you've asked us for.
00:57:22 [Tearyne]
We also have a road map that we've been working toward.
00:57:26 [Tearyne]
We want obviously, we started our roots in Drupal, but we want organizations and initiatives throughout the open source community to come to us so that we can support you, with what you're doing.
00:57:40 [Tearyne]
But we have two different committees now.
00:57:44 [Tearyne]
We have a governance committee, and we have an operations committee.

00:57:47 [Tearyne]
And I split the work out that way, just seeing that it was, an effective model in other organizations that I've been in to where governance is concerned with, like, rules and the rule books.
00:58:00 [Tearyne]
And, like, if you're a person like me with a local government background and you're really good at bureaucracy stuff, there's a bunch of projects in there for you to do.
00:58:08 [Tearyne]
Each committee has identified, like, a bunch of priorities for them that align with the road map and then their subcommittees.
00:58:16 [Tearyne]
We have the road map subcommittee that's in there, and then we also have the handbook subcommittee that is helping to get our handbook into the place where we need it now for when we're scaling.
00:58:25 [Tearyne]
And now we have all these other organizations after 2024.

00:58:30 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:58:30 [Tearyne]
The operations committee, which April you're over that one.
00:58:34 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:58:34 [Tearyne]
I go to all of the meetings, so I'm just very confused about it.
00:58:37 [Tearyne]
But Yeah.

00:58:41 [Tearyne]
But for operations, a lot of that has to do with how is the money coming in, who is talking to this accountant, what about the lawyers and the people and the things that we need for that side.
00:58:51 [Tearyne]
Right?
00:58:52 [Tearyne]
I thought it was very important for us to divide the work into those two budgets because especially if you do wanna give back, but you can't give a whole lot of time back, there are discrete buckets of work that can be delegated to people and that align with their skills and the things that they're passionate about.
00:59:09 [Tearyne]
So, if you are a member, like, you do not have to show up to any of these things.
00:59:14 [Tearyne]
Right?

00:59:14 [Tearyne]
Like, people do show up because they have opinions, and I love to help people get their opinions into action.
00:59:21 [Tearyne]
But, yeah, just make sure you are doing your dues.
00:59:24 [Tearyne]
Mhmm.

00:59:25 [John]
Yeah.
00:59:25 [John]
I I mean, I thought that the whole, kinda like board board meeting, aspect of it was interesting to me.
00:59:32 [John]
And as as we were kind of evaluating, both whether we wanted to be part of MOSA and and, you know, kind of vice versa.
00:59:41 [John]
Like, I I just kinda, like, silently observed some of those meetings, and I was like, oh, interesting.
00:59:45 [John]
Alright.

00:59:46 [John]
This is how it works.
00:59:47 [John]
And, you know, now that we are members, you know, I still go to those board meetings and kind of silently sit there, and and sometimes I I offer stuff up.
00:59:58 [John]
But I think it's it's it's nice to be able to to have that have that voice and be able to use it if if we want to, or even to just say, like, hey.
01:00:09 [John]
Here's a problem we're having.
01:00:11 [John]
Is anybody else having that problem?

01:00:12 [John]
And maybe as a collective, we can we can, you know, we can figure it out.
01:00:16 [John]
You know?
01:00:16 [John]
I think that's that's, you know, super valuable, and and it's great to have that kind of sounding board.

01:00:22 [April]
Yeah.
01:00:23 [April]
And, ideally, we would want to have at least one, like, org member representative for each org member so that they can at least know what's going on at the at the, nonprofit level.
01:00:35 [April]
They can voice those things that are happening in their own events.
01:00:39 [April]
And, you know, if other people from those events want to get involved, we're not gonna say no to people who want to contribute.
01:00:46 [April]
So, yeah, I think I think representation and then contributing to to building the nonprofit itself is is valuable.

01:00:56 [Nic]
One thing that maybe we should have asked earlier, how I I know we talked about some of the people that are some of the organizations that are part of MoSA, but how how many organizations are there in MoSA at the at the moment, and how many are you currently talking with about joining MoSA?
01:01:11 [Nic]
Is it, like, 10 camps, fifth or 10 organizations, 50 organizations, a thousand?
01:01:16 [Nic]
What's the scale?

01:01:17 [Tearyne]
I think, was it 14?
01:01:19 [Tearyne]
I was looking at this because we've had new ones come in, and we've had ones go away.

01:01:26 [April]
I'm seeing 12 active.

01:01:28 [Tearyne]
12 active.

01:01:29 [April]
But you never finished the list.
01:01:30 [April]
Maybe we need to tell everybody who all our people are.
01:01:33 [April]
We need to finish the list.

01:01:35 [Tearyne]
Okay.

01:01:35 [April]
I don't know where you stop.

01:01:36 [Tearyne]
Okay.
01:01:38 [Tearyne]
Mid camp, Ned camp, Black and Dribble just recently joined us.
01:01:42 [Tearyne]
Hi, Jasmine.
01:01:43 [Tearyne]
Hi, everybody.
01:01:44 [Tearyne]
Why did I do that?

01:01:45 [Tearyne]
I shut myself off.
01:01:48 [Tearyne]
Come on.
01:01:49 [Tearyne]
New Jersey, arena.
01:01:53 [Tearyne]
Because so what confuses me sometimes is that Eric comes for Stanford and Pacific Northwest.
01:01:58 [Tearyne]
Okay.

01:01:59 [Tearyne]
And then I'm like, wait.
01:01:59 [Tearyne]
Which one is this?
01:02:01 [Tearyne]
Andy has okay.
01:02:03 [Tearyne]
Wait.
01:02:03 [Tearyne]
Kevin's Drupal recording initiative, And then Andy's in the live captioning initiative, which I was like, I'm so sorry that I was not inviting you to these things.

01:02:11 [Tearyne]
It's not because I was being neglectful.
01:02:13 [Tearyne]
I just didn't know you were there.
01:02:14 [Tearyne]
And then there is Twin Cities.
01:02:18 [Tearyne]
Yes?
01:02:18 [Tearyne]
Twin Cities.

01:02:19 [Tearyne]
Yes.
01:02:20 [Tearyne]
This is only Nine Fingers.

01:02:23 [Nic]
LiveOverCamp.

01:02:24 [April]
Ally Talks.

01:02:25 [Tearyne]
Ally Talks.
01:02:25 [Tearyne]
Yes.
01:02:26 [Tearyne]
That's right.
01:02:27 [Tearyne]
Because we're getting to initiatives.

01:02:28 [April]
If LiveOverCamp is not a thing anymore.
01:02:30 [April]
Which one is it?

01:02:31 [Tearyne]
Drupal diversity inclusion and Ally Talks.
01:02:33 [Tearyne]
So let's talk in Drupal.

01:02:35 [John]
Did we mention talking Drupal?

01:02:36 [Tearyne]
13.
01:02:39 [Tearyne]
So we're growing.
01:02:40 [Tearyne]
We're growing slowly and intentionally every day.

01:02:44 [John]
Also looks like there's the live captioning initiative.
01:02:46 [John]
Did we talk about that?

01:02:48 [Tearyne]
Listen, Andy.
01:02:48 [Tearyne]
Because I felt bad that I wasn't inviting Andy to meet me.
01:02:52 [Tearyne]
I'm also the cat wrangler, so I just am always like, hi.
01:02:55 [Tearyne]
Are you coming to the meeting?
01:02:56 [Tearyne]
Hi.

01:02:57 [Tearyne]
Did you do this thing that you said you were gonna do three months ago?
01:02:59 [Tearyne]
It's okay.
01:02:59 [Tearyne]
I'm just here checking on you.

01:03:02 [John]
So if you're interested I will say if you're interested in knowing the full list and learning more, there's a nice grid on the MOSA website, and we'll have the that link in the show notes.
01:03:12 [John]
You can go there, and you can just kinda, like, click around and check out all the things that they're doing.
01:03:17 [John]
And, yeah, it's great.

01:03:19 [Tearyne]
Meetings are open too.
01:03:20 [Tearyne]
So if you're interested in, like, just knowing more about MoSA, whether that's membership or you're just nosy like me, you can come to the meeting, the board meeting.

01:03:30 [Nic]
So we're we're coming up towards the end of the show.
01:03:35 [Nic]
You mentioned you have the committees, but as you're kind of having these meetings, how are you guys prioritizing kind of what comes next and making sure that you're kind of balancing the local community versus the broader broader, I guess, ecosystem things that you need to solve.
01:03:53 [Nic]
Is that just something in the board meetings you kinda work through and figure out, or is there some some other way you come to figure out what the priorities are?

01:04:01 [Tearyne]
I'll let April talk first.

01:04:03 [April]
So we do as board directors, we do meet and so we meet, like, every other week or something like that.
01:04:08 [April]
Like, we meet more often to kind of touch base on things.
01:04:12 [April]
And then with these committees, we are building the road map and figuring out, you know, what is our punch list.
01:04:18 [April]
Because for a while, we're like, we don't we don't wanna grow yet.
01:04:21 [April]
Like, we don't wanna add more orgs until we've got, like, our actual fiscal sponsor agreement, like, set up and so that people know what they're agreeing to and just, like, having, like, foundational things built out so that we're not gonna let people down when they come in or we're gonna be able to talk, about what the expectations are in a more, like, documented way.

01:04:45 [April]
Like, we expect you to do this.
01:04:46 [April]
Look.
01:04:46 [April]
It's here.
01:04:47 [April]
You sign it, and you agree to it.
01:04:49 [April]
A lot of that stuff didn't exist in the very beginning.

01:04:52 [April]
So we're trying to get that as a nice baseline.
01:04:54 [April]
I know that we we added some more words because there was a need because we also you know, we're you know, like, I was with Asheville, and we lost our fiscal sponsor.
01:05:04 [April]
We know what that feels like to lose a fiscal sponsor.
01:05:07 [April]
So we don't wanna just, like, be like, no.
01:05:09 [April]
We're not ready yet.

01:05:10 [April]
So we're we're just kind of, like, balancing that, and making sure that we have a strong foundation that we're, like our our we wanna make sure that the nonprofit does not fail as we've said over and over again.
01:05:22 [April]
Like, we don't wanna fail.
01:05:22 [April]
We don't wanna fail our member orgs.
01:05:25 [April]
We don't wanna fail as a nonprofit.
01:05:27 [April]
And so making sure that that is, like, number one.

01:05:30 [April]
And then having the other ideas, like the the sponsorship programs or the grant writing and stuff like that, be things that we do after we are we have an established foundation, and everybody is is, like knows what's going on and and where we can move forward.

01:05:48 [Tearyne]
Yep.
01:05:49 [Tearyne]
And everything that April just said is excellent.
01:05:52 [Tearyne]
For me, I'm the person that is thinking about how to scale things and also why we should not scale things.
01:05:59 [Tearyne]
And so one of the things that we make sure to do, when we have our smaller board of, directors conversations is that, Kevin actually goes to, folks might have heard of the Drupal Federation, which is an ongoing conversation in the community.
01:06:16 [Tearyne]
Right?

01:06:16 [Tearyne]
And how is that gonna be balanced across, you know, America America and the rest of the world, which is a lot bigger than the rest of the world, and, again, not on that soapbox.
01:06:27 [Tearyne]
Right?
01:06:28 [Tearyne]
But what does that mean for us?
01:06:30 [Tearyne]
How does that impact our camps?
01:06:32 [Tearyne]
And, yes, there are some of our member organizations that go, to those meetings individually, and there's some that just don't have the time.

01:06:40 [Tearyne]
But we make sure as this camp that has aspired to and just kinda had it fall into our laps that we're representing all of these orgs and initiatives that we go and we make sure that we represent the things that people are asking us, to be to raise up those concerns at the federation meetings.
01:06:59 [Tearyne]
And we give the updates, during the board meetings so that people know how's this gonna impact most of it.
01:07:05 [Tearyne]
But most importantly, how's this gonna impact my tiny little Drupal users group in Moline, Illinois?

01:07:11 [John]
It's funny.
01:07:11 [John]
Every time you say federation, I think I think of Star Trek.

01:07:16 [April]
Yes.

01:07:16 [John]
There you go.
01:07:17 [John]
There it is.
01:07:19 [John]
So, I wanna get to two more questions.
01:07:22 [John]
So we're gonna do lightning round here.
01:07:26 [John]
What do you think the biggest challenges most faces,

01:07:32 [Tearyne]
are?
01:07:34 [Tearyne]
Time.

01:07:36 [John]
K.
01:07:37 [John]
Everybody's everybody's a volunteer, so now, you know, if everybody's got limited time.
01:07:41 [John]
Okay.
01:07:41 [John]
April, you got you got anything, or you would you agree with time?

01:07:44 [April]
With enough with enough time and energy, all things are possible, but yeah.

01:07:49 [John]
Time.
01:07:50 [John]
So the energy is good, but we need more we need more time.
01:07:52 [John]
Got it.

01:07:53 [April]
And people.
01:07:53 [April]
I mean, people who have the time and the energy.
01:07:55 [April]
Right?
01:07:55 [April]
So Yeah.

01:07:56 [John]
Yeah.
01:07:57 [John]
Yeah.
01:07:57 [John]
That makes sense.
01:07:59 [John]
Okay.
01:07:59 [John]
So, Nick crosses this question out, but I do wanna I just do wanna say, like, or ask what's, looking ahead looks like.

01:08:06 [John]
What do you think you know, what's one thing, I guess, I will say that you're excited, to see Mosa achieve in the next in the next year, we'll say.

01:08:19 [Tearyne]
Oh.
01:08:20 [Tearyne]
Finishing the handbook.

01:08:22 [John]
There you go.
01:08:23 [John]
Five impressions beforehand.

01:08:25 [Tearyne]
We have one, and then we are making improvements on it.
01:08:27 [Tearyne]
Right?
01:08:28 [Tearyne]
And then there's just there are so many things to consider.
01:08:35 [Tearyne]
Right?
01:08:37 [Tearyne]
Yeah.

01:08:38 [Tearyne]
Like, the handbook is good, but, also, we want to make sure that the handbook will scale and grow with us because, also, we can only change it, like, once a year at the annual meeting.
01:08:47 [Tearyne]
Mhmm.
01:08:47 [Tearyne]
It's like, okay.
01:08:48 [Tearyne]
Are we locking this in?
01:08:49 [Tearyne]
K.

01:08:50 [Tearyne]
And then when the meeting goes, it's like, oh.

01:08:52 [John]
And then I would imagine, like, organic growth.
01:08:55 [John]
Right?
01:08:55 [John]
We've talked about that a little bit as we've gone.
01:08:57 [John]
Right?
01:08:57 [John]
But you wanna make sure that you're you're, you're growing growing organically, growing smartly, however you wanna however you wanna put it.

01:09:04 [John]
Right?

01:09:05 [April]
Yeah.

01:09:05 [Tearyne]
So I do gardening and, you know, you can you can put a light over your little seedlings, but if you have it in the wrong spot, they grow too fast if there's too much heat from the bottom, and they get very spindly, and then they just die off.
01:09:17 [Tearyne]
And that's not what we want from us.

01:09:19 [John]
Oh, jeez.
01:09:20 [John]
That's a that's an that's an analogy.
01:09:22 [John]
That's that's an analogy and a visual that I don't I

01:09:24 [Nic]
had to get rid of

01:09:25 [Tearyne]
a whole tray of seedlings this

01:09:26 [Nic]
weekend, Joan.
01:09:27 [Nic]
Enjoy.

01:09:28 [John]
April, any any thoughts on looking ahead from you?

01:09:33 [April]
Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna steal what Kevin said.
01:09:35 [April]
Getting a lawyer that knows about nonprofit fiscal sponsorship.

01:09:37 [Tearyne]
God.
01:09:38 [Tearyne]
Yes.

01:09:38 [John]
I'm I'm I'm

01:09:39 [April]
working been a a harder thing to do.
01:09:41 [April]
We wanna make sure that we're doing things legit.
01:09:43 [April]
We wanna make sure that everybody is protected in the way they need to be protected, like, individually and as an org.
01:09:51 [April]
Finding that would be great and just, like, finishing up that foundation punch list so that we can do things like group sponsorship and, you know, maybe maybe in the future, there is a grant program within MOSA that supports new communities.
01:10:05 [April]
And what is where is it in Illinois?

01:10:08 [April]
Moline.
01:10:09 [April]
Moline, Illinois.
01:10:10 [April]
Lake in Moline, Illinois.
01:10:12 [April]
You know?

01:10:13 [John]
I, I'm happy to happy to say that I'm I'm attempting to help help Kevin with that lawyer lawyer thing.
01:10:19 [John]
Hopefully hopefully, we can work that out.
01:10:21 [John]
We'll see.
01:10:24 [John]
Well, I'd like to thank you both for joining us.
01:10:27 [John]
It has been a exhilarating conversation, and, yes, thank you to both of you.

01:10:33 [Tearyne]
Thanks for having us.

01:10:34 [April]
Thanks for having us.
01:10:35 [April]
Yeah.

01:10:37 [Nic]
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01:10:40 [Nic]
Oh, this is a lot harder to do when I have to also click the button to change it.
01:10:45 [Nic]
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01:11:34 [John]
Alrighty.
01:11:35 [John]
April, if folks wanted to get ahold of you, how best could they do that?

01:11:41 [April]
Probably LinkedIn.
01:11:43 [April]
April dash sides.

01:11:45 [John]
And I'm assuming you're on the Drupal Slack?

01:11:48 [April]
I'm on the Drupal Slack.
01:11:48 [April]
Yeah.
01:11:49 [April]
The week before next, but I think it you can find my name too.

01:11:52 [John]
There you go.
01:11:52 [John]
I I believe that you two have the the the most unique Drupal, usernames and Slack names.
01:12:00 [John]
Tearyne, what about you?

01:12:02 [Tearyne]
Okay.
01:12:02 [Tearyne]
So on drupal.org, I am nine lives black cat.
01:12:05 [Tearyne]
I am also nine lives black cat on Twitch.
01:12:07 [Tearyne]
There's a whole different side of my life.
01:12:09 [Tearyne]
But I am on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/tearyne.

01:12:16 [Tearyne]
I am Tearyne in most places.
01:12:18 [Tearyne]
I did that.

01:12:19 [John]
There you go.
01:12:20 [John]
I like it.
01:12:21 [John]
Nick, what about you?

01:12:22 [Nic]
You can find me pretty much everywhere at nicksvan, n I c x v a n.

01:12:27 [John]
And I'm John Picozzi.
01:12:28 [John]
You can find me, personally at picozzi.com or on social media in drupal.org at john picosi.
01:12:34 [John]
And if you wanna learn more about EPAM, you can go to epam.com.

01:12:44 [Nic]
If you've enjoyed listening, we've enjoyed talking.
01:12:46 [Nic]
See you guys next week.

01:12:48 [John]
Have a good one.

01:12:49 [Nic]
For forgot that was not me.

01:12:51 [Tearyne]
Yeah.
01:12:51 [Tearyne]
Bye, y'all.

01:12:52 [John]
I was like, I'm gonna give him a prompt, and then I'm like, no.
01:12:55 [John]
I'm not.
01:12:55 [John]
He'll he'll get it.

01:12:58 [Nic]
Alright.
01:12:59 [Nic]
Okay.
01:12:59 [Nic]
So I just