Talking Drupal #519 - DrupalCon Vienna

Nic: This is Talking Drupal, a weekly chat about web design development from a group of people with one thing in common. We love Drupal. This is episode 519 Drupal Con Vienna. On today's show, we are talking about DrupalCon Vienna, what we can expect, and any surprise updates with our guests. Christina Les.

Vero and Catherine bu. We'll also cover recipe trackers on module of the week. Welcome to Talking Drupal, our guest. Hey, Christina Antonella. And Catherine. Catherine is a backend developer, architect trying to build nice things and not delay projects too much. Antonella is a product manager at Nestle IT Global has decades of experience leading digital transformation initiatives and multidisciplinary teams in global markets.

At Nestle, she specializes in the development of scalable digital solutions for content management systems and enhancing both customer experience and operational efficiency. Antonella is the track chair of the client and industry track of DrupalCon Europe. Christina is the Drupal CMS product design lead Drupal core front end framework manager and UX lead, and she has been defining and driving Drupal CMS product direction since the Starshot initiative started.

She has been coordinating key design and UX initiatives in Drupal since 2017. She's also involved in Barcelona's, local community organizing, Drupal and other tech related events, and she's open for sponsorship. We'll have more about that after the show. And Catherine, welcome to the show and thank you for joining us.

Antonella: Thank you for having us. For having thanks.

Nic: I'm Nick, founder Atnt Development and Tamay. My CO are James Sandsbury, CEO of tugboat. Welcome back. Hey everybody, and joining us as usual, John Zi, solution architect at EPA. Welcome back.

John: Hello, internet friends.

Nic: Now to talk about our module of the week, let's turn it over to Martin Interest includes a principal solutions engineer, aqui, and a maintainer of a number of Drupal modules and recipes of his own.

Martin, what do you have for us this week?

Martin: Thanks Nick. Have you ever wanted to track what recipes and their versions have been applied to your Drupal site? There's a module for that. It's called Recipe Tracker, and it was created in March of 2025 by Sentara as part of the commerce recipe. Core notionally the very first Drupal site recipe, or sorry, site template.

It has a 1.0 0.0 version available and is notionally actively maintained. Although the project repo only has a single commit. It has never had an issue open against it, which is pretty good considering it is in use according to 207 sites according to drupal.org. Now, after installing the recipe tracker module, every time a recipe is applied, the name and version of the recipe will be added to a new recipe log, along with the full package name of the recipe and the user who applied it as well as the date and time it was applied.

The module uses an event subscriber to generate a recipe log entity. So there should also be lots of API options if you want to extend how the logging works, for example, using Drupal's entity API. This module was nominated by our own John Pzi. So John, why don't you kick off the discussion by telling us what inspired you to nominate Recipe Tracker?

John: I have no idea 'cause I don't remember nominating it. Maybe because I thought it was cool. The idea of tracking recipes? I don't know. I'd have to look back as as to why I recommended it. But I mean, ultimately knowing which, which recipes you've applied feels like a pretty valuable, valuable thing to me, especially, um.

When you're, you're working on a site and you kind of get long into working on that site. You might not remember what recipes you applied originally or, or back in the day. So, um, yeah, that's probably probably where I was coming from. If I, if I have to think back to it.

Martin: I could also see for somebody who is taking over maintainer ship of a particular site, being able to sort of look back at the history and knowing what recipes a site was built on could also be pretty useful information in terms of understanding, you know, what the path forward might need to look like.

Nic: I, I think it's also good for an audit trail too, but the problem is that. Most recipes are going to be applied locally, right? And this is going to be a database entry, which you're not gonna push up. So unless you hook into it and send that event subscriber thing to somewhere else, it doesn't really, it, it's not gonna persist anywhere.

That makes sense. So I, I wonder, I wonder even, even for the projects where we apply recipes. Over and over again, like the one that we do for CSP headers to keep things in sync. We're applying those locally and exporting the configuration. So I, I think this is interesting, but for a different reason. And that's because there's an old, there's a very old issue in the Drupal core issue queue, asking for notes and tracking when modules are installed and just uninstalled.

Um, the framing around that actually was I. Real scenario, but also made me chuckle because somebody said, I have a really big site with thousands of modules and I don't know why I installed all of them. So I'd like to have a note to remind myself. And my first re my first thought was like, well, you should have that documented somewhere.

'cause again, if you, if you do this, it's not gonna happen on, um, it's not gonna happen on production. It's gonna happen locally, ideally in eight plus. Um, but do people document,

Catherine: is that, is that something we're supposed to do?

Nic: Yeah, fair enough that that's an ongoing problem. I don't know what would be documented in know what do

James: you mean version control, right?

Like if you're adding a module, wouldn't you be able to see in the get commit history?

John: Uh, well, yeah, and I mean also you would be able to see the fact that, um. I don't know if that that module tended changed config. You'd be able to see config come, come along with that. Are you enabling that module? So, I mean, that only kind of works if you enable the module.

So if you install it and don't enable it, then, um, but I, I mean, I think the other aspect here too is that, you know. Which version of a, of a recipe is installed or, or applied, I guess I should say applied. Um, right. Like I feel like that's super useful, especially if you have. Again, like you've been working on a site for a while, you applied a bunch of recipes, and now you have a new, new version of that recipe that you may wanna consider applying.

Like, I think it's good to be able to compare those, compare those things and have that historical, um, track of, uh, of, of what you,

Nic: what you've

John: done.

Nic: Well, thank you, Martin. Uh, as always, you found an interesting module of the week to talk about, and I, I think last party of thought is you said there's only one commit, but.

This is one of those modules that I feel like it kind of does what it needs to do and I can't see it really ever needing any additional updates other than maybe an easier way to like, send the message somewhere that it makes sense to store it other than, uh, you know, other than the local database, which isn't gonna get onto production.

But yeah, I think it's, uh, it's pretty interesting.

Martin: Yeah, I mean, theoretically you could maybe provide like a configuration option to like write a text file or something, to your point, is something that could be committed to, to git Yep. To have sort of something that would live, uh, where other people could see it.

But yeah, I think you're probably right. It, it's, it's by design fairly contained in terms of what it tries to do. So that's probably why it hasn't needed a lot of ongoing.

John: Code changes. Nick's also assuming that people aren't running DB log on their production site, which, Hmm. You know,

Nic: no, I, I mean, more people aren't applying recipes directly on their production site, but I guess with triple CMS that's less of a, less of a concern, so I know less of a reality.

Oh, it does make sense. I see.

John: I see what you're saying now. Okay. You, yeah.

Nic: So.

Antonella: Mm-hmm.

Nic: So, Martin, if uh, listeners wanted to suggest a module of the week, what's the best way for them to do that?

Martin: We are always happy to have lively discussions about interesting projects in the Talking Drupal channel of Drupal Slack.

Or folks can reach out to me directly as man clue on all of the Drupal and social channels. Thanks

Nic: Martin. See you next week.

Martin: See you

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Antonella: Thank you, John. All

Nic: right. Let's move on to our primary topic. Uh, who can tell me when DrupalCon Vienna is?

Cristina: Sure. It's, uh, in Vienna and it's in October, uh, from the 14th to the 17th, so just a few weeks from now.

Nic: Oh, that's pretty close. Nice. It's

John: coming, coming up pretty quick. I'm wondering like, how is Vienna selected to host Drupal Con?

Antonella: No, I think that, uh, they rotate, they keep rotating among cities, so been in the past, so I guess going.

John: Mm.

Antonella: But I don't know why it was chosen specifically.

John: I'm always interested, I guess I'm, I'm, I'm gonna have to do some deep, deep research on that. 'cause I always feel like I'm, I, I know like in, in North America, at least to the last couple, um, years, there's been a little bit of repetitiveness because I think they got a better deal on the location if they said, Hey, we'll bring it back a couple of years in a row.

Mm-hmm. But, um, I'm always, I'm always very interested in how they, um. How they select the location.

Catherine: It, it, I think the, I was talking to Connie who manages this, and the, they're kind of limited in the cities in Europe that we can go to because they have some logistical concerns, right? You have to have the right kind of conference.

You want the conference center to be in a city where there's good public transit so that people can go out and enjoy the city. Probably very similar to things. Have to be thought about with any of the other conferences.

Antonella: Mm-hmm.

Catherine: But there's, within Europe, there's a very small selection of cities that meet all of these.

And that's why, um, Anton was saying, I think that Anton is, is part of why they rotate the cities, right? Mm-hmm. They, they've only got so many here that

John: Yeah, I, I was, I was at a. Is that a Drupal Con? I don't, it wasn't la it wasn't this past year in Atlanta. I think it was a couple, couple years ago, but I, I remember stumbling into, um, a group of folks in a hotel lobby and they were like.

Hey, John, where should the next DrupalCon be? And I'm like, ah, um, well, okay. And yeah, they were, they were kind of hashing it out, which I thought was super interesting. Um, but yeah, there, there definitely are requirements as far as like convention center size and um, that sort of thing. Now I know in for North America, they've moved towards using like.

Hotels as opposed to convention centers just 'cause of the size of the event. Um, for the European DrupalCon, has it always been in like a hotel setting or more of a convention center setting?

Catherine: It's in a convention center. We're we're hearing, hearing talk. About wanting to move it to hotels. Whether that happens or not is remains to be seen, but that's definitely something that's been mentioned, um, to both Jeremy, who is, uh, one of the co is the co-chair along with myself for this year, and we've, uh, I've heard that about, um, subsequent years that we, that we, they might want us to be looking at hotels.

Antonella: Interesting.

Cristina: Is that a hotel? It's rather, yeah. Okay. Yeah, last year at Singapore and this year at, in, uh, Japan too. Hmm.

James: Yeah. I'm curious, um, are y'all, have y'all been like yourselves actively involved in the session selection for Vienna or is, is there a, a whole separate team for that as well? So all three of you are nodding your heads

Antonella: Yes, very much involved.

James: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So are there, um, are there specific themes y'all focused on in your selection process for this year?

Antonella: Sure. So for the client and industry track, uh, we're really excited because we're seeing, uh, some of the themes that we've wanted to, um, get for a long time, uh, beyond just the, the typical migration, uh, to multi-site settings, et cetera, which is great. Uh, but now we're really starting to see sessions that are showing the power of Drupal, uh, unique uses of Drupal.

And I'm also seeing this year something, um. Which a trend is the move from Drupal CMS to platform. So.

Nice

Catherine: for coding and site building. There's a, we, we split this year, um, we split the, what used to be makers and builders track into two separate tracks. One was coding and site building, and then InfoSec and DevOps, and that's the world that's sort of, I'm in. So that's where I was focused as far as session selection was concerned.

Mm-hmm. And one of the things that I wanted to. Have in coding and site building was more, uh, senior level engineering talks. And so that was something that I pushed quite heavily for and it's something that I asked the team that helped us select, um, select things for that session to that track to think about.

So we, we have this year focused in coding and site building on a little bit more, um, senior engineering focused. Talks. We also tried, of course we tried to keep in some more, um, you know, beginner friendly, uh, hobbyist type things. A couple of case studies, but that was as far as was there something that guided, certainly what guided quo a site building was my own selfish desire.

To have more, uh, senior level engineering talk show up at DrupalCon. But then also we've, we've heard from other people. Uh, last year we had a great boff where we, we got some of the senior Drupal contributors together and we said, you know, what have you, what don't you, what don't you like here? What would you like to see?

And that was some, one of the things that they brought up kind of repeatedly was that the sessions are, are very focused on beginner stuff and they're not necessarily so enticing. To people who have been working with it for a long time or who've been PHP devs for a long time. And I, you know, I agree with that.

I get behind that a hundred percent. So that was the, um, that was the focus there. And then info second, DevOps is, is, is what's on the 10. Right. That's gonna be related to those as well, which is quite fun. Hopefully it, hopefully it works out well and we can continue with this

John: split. Christina, I imagine there are gonna be some Drupal CMS related topics at this DrupalCon Yeah.

Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah, there are several, uh, sessions, uh, um, related, uh, to Drupal CMS. So beyond like the Drupal CMS and its future itself, like the current status and the future itself, there is a session like Martin session about recipes. Uh, one about site plates obviously, and another, like another one of Canvas. But there is like the very expected and really, um.

So many people is looking for that and expecting that is the multilingual both on Dr for Drupal cms, at least for now that the work is happening on, on only Drupal CMS itself. But that has to come about, uh, for, uh, canvas two. And there is going to be above related to that obviously Drupal AI and the future of, uh, Drupal core.

So although I gotta say the track sessions are, the whole track sessions are great.

John: Interesting. So. One comment and then a, a follow-up question. Um, the comment is, I'm very happy that none of you use that catchphrase of ai. Um, I'm sure the sessions will include plenty of talk on ai. 'cause uh, every concept, uh, every conference rather in the world is, is doing that.

But I'm glad to hear that nobody was like, oh, um, we picked, picked a lot of sessions on AI because that's what people wanna hear about. So that's awesome. Um. Al you mentioned something and I wanna just come back to it. Uh, you said that the sessions that you are, you were seeing, um, kind of positioned Drupal more as a platform than just like a, you know, a CMS or like a, a website builder, thingamajigger.

Right. Um. Interesting to me because I've always, I, I kind of thought over the last, I don't know, two years, three years maybe, that Drupal's been moving in that direction and doing a pretty good job of establishing itself as a platform. Um, but um, you're saying you're seeing, you're seeing more of that now, which, which feels, feels reassuring to me.

Uh, any additional thoughts there?

Antonella: Yeah, I mean, just from my own experience in the work that I do here, uh, this is what I'm experiencing and the challenges that come with it. Um, so I was happy to see this topic because, um, we need, we're working, we're working more than multi-site. We in the digital ecosystems, um, the decoupled all the different versions.

Drupal is a backend, Drupal is a front end, et cetera. Um, and we, we need to figure out a way to work with those integrations. And tofu get our site future ready for anything that comes. Uh, and Drupal is really well positioned, um, for that because of the composable architecture.

Cristina: So to add a little bit to that, I think that's really good and strategic because actually, uh, so beyond Drupal CMS and the strategy that we, uh, created for Drupal CMS in parallel, the Drup, uh, the core committed teams nowadays called, uh, Drupal leads because there is people that are not.

Do not commit like the UX people. Um, we are working on a strategy that it's taking a little bit longer than we would like to, but the goal is like to al CMS itself from Drupal cord and should actually, um. Be a platform, be the tool to actually build these platforms. That should be the focus. And Drupal CMS should be like one of these platforms on the, my, the main platform itself.

John: Yeah. You, you both are, are, um, are, are preaching to the choir here. I've been on, on my soapbox about Drupal as a tool to build platforms for, for a long time. Um, so I'm excited to see that there's some, some realization there. Um, kind of makes me sad that I'm not gonna attend Triple Con Vienna, but I'm holding out for, for an Italian DrupalCon.

Nic: So you guys are all kind of heavily involved in organizing Vienna. What are some kind of notable sessions that people should look forward to then, specifically

Antonella: from my point of view? The client, uh, industry track is always getting different industry. So this year we have some new industries here. Uh, we have something from the sports industry.

Um, we have different like, uh, one from UK's biggest free TV platforms. Uh, we like to see the ones from our nonprofit organization and governments. Uh, so we have a lot of really interesting session. Uh. The different use cases that they're using it for and how they're built, bringing value, uh, to their businesses or organizations, um, to achieve scalability on a global level.

Nic: Okay. And Catherine, can you, you mentioned that there's gonna be a lot more kind of deep engineering talks. Any, any in particular that you're looking forward to?

Catherine: Yeah. I mean, a a, an easy. Almost cop out answer to this is that, um, we've got Derek Reins and Sebastian Bergman and Andre Merta coming. Um, Andre is going to do an advanced level, well, they're all doing advanced.

I, we've asked them all to, to really kind of set their market, set their audience as an advanced audience. So Andre able to doing a session on, um, of course PHP stand. Derek will be doing a session on XD bug and Sebastian will be doing a session on PHP unit. Those sessions will be advanced. So that's, that's nice.

Um, we also have some module maintainers. Um, we've got, oh, Lord have mercy. I've lost it now. Um. We've got the module maintainers for, uh, sorry, John, some of the AI modules and some of the AI work that are going to, they're gonna show us some of the internals. Um, and I thought that, that, that'll be interesting to see from an engineering perspective, the internals of what they're doing there.

John: Yeah, I mean, so the AI piece of it, like, I feel like Drupal is probably ahead of, well, not probably, Drupal is ahead of the game as far as integrating AI into a, into a CMS, um, web platform framework. So, I mean, I do think it's interesting to, to talk about that and to promote that. Um, and I'm glad to see, uh, is it Jamie and Marcus that are, that are gonna be there?

Antonella: Yeah, I think so.

John: Yeah. It's good to see that they're, they're getting out and spreading the, spreading the word about how.

Catherine: We've also got some non-engineering stuff that is, is interesting. Um, we've got Yale coming out. Um, they're gonna talk about what they've done to simplify, uh, a site that they had that was very complex. It should be a, a really good, um, case study and the way that they've used ai. Uh, that should be quite nice.

Um, we've also got some great agency and business, um, sessions, uh, what to do to grow new Drupal developers. You know, what, what are people doing to do that? What are they doing to, to bring new talent in? I know that's a problem for a lot of us. Um, I think we've kind of fallen, a lot of us have fallen back on the idea that you don't hire Drupal developers to train them.

Um, and some of the case studies that are gonna be presented are a little bit counter to that in ways that have worked out. So that'll be good to see from the agency in business perspective. And then of course, we have the Drupal Business Survey every year. That's a really, that's a session people like going to and, and seeing what all the agencies have to say about how this year's been.

Nic: Okay. And how about you, Christina? Any, any in particular you're looking forward to?

Cristina: Yeah. So, uh, beyond like the Drupal CMS focus ones and obviously the canvas ones, like the one about the marketplace, I think it's going to be interesting, interesting in terms of like the future of, uh, not a, not just Drupal as a product called itself as a code, uh, on a call perspective.

Perspective is like where, what's, what the future in there and what it means for all of us. And related to that also, like the site template sessions. Bolt will know. Technical perspective. So people that is like working at agencies can either like reuse what it's done, uh, find a way to reuse that work to not start from a scratch.

Every project, for example. And also, like on a design system perspective, um, METCO has created this, uh, site, uh, design system and theme that will be used both for, um, classic Drupal streaming and canvas at the same time with components. So that design system is going to be really useful. Or defining, uh, projects in the future.

Antonella: Um, going back to ai, um, we did see a couple of interesting things come up where it's not just about ai. So one of the things that's important to us is sustainability and accessibility. And we got two sessions. One about, uh, can AI be made accessible? So I'm really interesting to see what, um, they will show there in terms of compliance and also green ux.

Finding AI to help, um, reduce the environmental footprint of our digital platform. So.

John: That's, that's super, super interesting. Yeah, so I mean, I think like, just listening to what, um, what you've all been talking about, like there's a wide range of topics, a little bit for a little bit for everybody, um, at, at Drupal Conno, which is, which is nice and, and important. I'm wondering. So I've been to a lot of North American Drupal cons.

Um, you know, typically we see. Some different formats, you know, AMAs or panel discussions. Um, I'm wondering if DrupalCon Vienna has any, uh, unique formats or, or even different kind of like sub events happening that um, you know, we may not see at, you know, other DrupalCon.

Cristina: Yeah, there is one that is a woman in Drupal and, um.

So I know that some people will say, now this in 2025, we're still talking about that. Yes, it we're obviously still talking about that because we haven't, uh, solved, uh, the gap. But beyond that, like something that we love to highlight is that there are not enough, uh, people submitted and most of the people that are well known.

Already have won one of those awards. So there is a huge challenge to find more people on the Drupal community that actually can win the award. And I would love for people to think about that and how is that a problem? Why is that a problem? And beyond that, just being in Europe in terms of like who are we like proposing to get win the A award?

Why is that complicated? Can

Nic: can you talk a little bit more about that award? Like what are. And, and maybe a couple of past winners to give us an idea, give our listeners an idea of, uh, who to think about.

Cristina: So there are three categories. My, I'm, I'm blanking right now. I think the, to define the build. Another one, and don't make me like explain which scale, which goes it.

Scale. Scale. Thank you. And I can't think of like past winners. Like for example, I think body from one X Internet, um, Pamela Bar, which, which is like the, uh, product manager or owner from cms. And yep. Stellar power. Yeah. Stellar powers then, uh mm-hmm.

Antonella: Yeah.

Cristina: I also, but yeah, so it's, it's not about that. It's like a more about like, now that we've like, uh, got all the, like the known people beyond that, where is why is not more people in there and why is people not proposing?

Because you cannot, you cannot, someone. Mm-hmm. So only people, uh, the, the GU can only be given to actually people that someone has proposed.

Nic: So, so you need nominations, is what you're saying? Yes.

John: Uh, so question on that. Are they still open? Because it looks like, uh, according to the website, uh, deadline to submit, applications had closed on the 17th of August.

Today is the 2nd of September. So are they, have they been extended?

Cristina: I'm

Catherine: not

Cristina: sure, but

Catherine: I'm not aware of that. I don't think so. No, I don't think they've been extended this year. I think it's something we need to think about for next year, like how we market it, how, how do we get the word out? Um, I think there are, obviously, you know, all of us that have made our careers in tech, we, we know that there systemic issues around, you know, women and representation and all, all the things that we do.

All the time to try and help with that is, you know, we need to up those and continue that. But I do think that there's a, there might be an issue with getting the word out to agencies and to,

Antonella: to

Catherine: people that we like. Here's when nominations close.

John: Um, I just wanna go back to format and, and so we have the Splash Awards.

We have women in Drupal, so those are some great sub events kind of happening at DrupalCon. Mm-hmm. Any, any unique or different formats and, and no is an okay answer to that question. Um, I'm just curious, as somebody who organizes events, like, I always like to figure out like, what new thing, what new format are you trying, and do you think it'll work?

Um, Catherine, I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let you feel that one.

Catherine: Sorry about that.

John: Yeah, we

Catherine: got some workshops. I think those are always great and they're sort of under, they're under. Marketed again, they're underrepresented, they're not talked about enough. But we've got, we've got two great ones. Um, again, we're gonna throw AI in there and I feel like, I feel like we could get ourselves in trouble if we played some sort of game with every time somebody mentions AI and these type of podcasts.

Antonella: Mm-hmm. But

Catherine: yeah, we, we've got an AI one, um, and it is, it's, it's good because it's. Beginner level, right? It's, it's basically getting up and running with ai. So how do we, how do you start at the beginning? Which I think is, is going to be attractive to a lot of people who are coming. And then we have one on accessibility and sustainability.

And I think that that is becoming more and more important. I mean, it's always been important, but it's something that is increasingly more important as we start thinking again about ai, um, and what that's costing us and how it's, how it's generating code and how it's generating front end. You know what?

What is it building? These are, these are all important things. So those workshops are, are great because it gives people an opportunity to engage and to get their hands, hands on things and to ask in the context of learning, which is lovely.

John: That is awesome. All right, James, go for it.

James: Yeah, so we were talking about, you know, the Women in Drupal Award.

Um, it, I see also that the Splash Awards are gonna be at. DrupalCon Vienna this year. So for folks that don't know even what the Splash Awards are, can you, um, share a little bit with us about what those awards are and about that event at, uh, DrupalCon Vienna?

Antonella: Yeah, sure. I mean, it celebrates, uh, project Drupal projects, uh, in the industry by different categories.

Uh, so companies and agencies could self nominate their projects, uh. See who in each category.

John: Nice. Interesting. Yeah. Catherine, do you have anything to add to that?

Catherine: I wanna hear your question. You look very ah, yeah, you look very serious with it. You're scratching your chin. You're ready now, now I'm like excited to hear the questions, so

John: I'm, I'm just, I'm just interested or wondering like this, uh, the Flash Awards feel like they were kind of done separately from DrupalCon, but they always kind of aligned with DrupalCon slightly, but it's always been DrupalCon Europe and I don't like, I'm wondering why.

It not, it has, it doesn't align with DrupalCon in North America or like if there isn't aversion in North America and like I, I feel like it might have started as like a separate thing and then kind of got brought into, brought into DrupalCon. So I'm, I'm just wondering if anybody has any, any backstory there or understanding.

Catherine: I think Europe's just more fun. John,

John: uh, at risk of, at risk of, uh, being kicked out. I don't disagree, but um,

Cristina: I have no idea. Yeah, you just actually start that. It started as a separate thing. I think it started in the Netherlands and Triple Jam, but I'm not quite sure. And then like the different countries started doing that.

And obviously it's like if you want to scale that unit like the European one, and I don't think it's a crazy that it ends up like being exported to the us.

John: Yeah, I mean, I, I hope it does. 'cause it seems, it seems, um, I don't know. It seems fun and it seems, it seems like it's wildly popular, so I hope they do, I hope they do import or export, however you'd like to put it, uh, that into, uh, into a North America DrupalCon.

Uh, in the future, if anybody's listening,

James: you're on the jury for the Splash Awards. Um. Tell us about that. I think all three of us are How many submissions? Oh, all three of you are. Okay. Um, yeah. So being on the jury, what is, like, how many submissions do y'all review and what's that process look like?

Antonella: Uh, yeah, so we, we all got, I think about 12 entries randomly generated.

Uh, and there was obviously overlap, so I think maybe five or six, um. Uh, rated each group. Um, and we had a, a very, uh, defined set of criteria, like diff, eight different points such as business case, Drupal value, uh, ux, uh, things like that. Uh, and we basically spent time to evaluate each one. And then the averages were done by them back then.

Uh, and we don't even know the winners yet, but I believe nominations are on the site right now, the ones that are in the nominated group.

James: Yeah. Very exciting.

Antonella: Yeah, there was a lot of interest in projects that was really difficult to rate, I have to say.

Nic: Mm-hmm. I bet. Yeah. Looking forward to it. All right, so I, without spoiling the surprise.

John: No, no, the question's in there so that we can spoil the surprise. Go for it. We can spoil the surprise.

Nic: Uh, are there any hints of what we can maybe expect or look forward to with, uh, the dress noted DrupalCon, Vienna? Any of you know,

Antonella: you wouldn't know.

James: Christina's looking very suspicious.

Cristina: Um, I can tell you something, but I would prefer you don't.

Share that in public, it's going to be about ai. Then you should probably not

John: say it then it's

Cristina: going to be AI canvas and maybe something related to templates. But don't tell anyone that I've said that. Something around those lines. I hope. Maybe not, maybe not. So

John: I think, I think you, you're, I mean, I think we all kind of figured that there was gonna be like gonna be the topics.

So I mean, that's surprising or shocking, but Hey, you know what? I think, um, let's see. Last year's, uh, European trip com was in Barcelona, right? Yes. Okay. Like, so I think like the DRE note from DrupalCon Barcelona was like, you know, there was a lot of great, great stuff in there. There was like, it was like, oh boy.

Like when can we, when can we start, start using this stuff? Um, so, uh, I'm happy to see that the, the European dral cons are kind of getting, um. Getting, getting, at least in my view, the, to the level of like an Apple keynote where they're like, but there's one more thing. Uh, you know, I don't know. Drupal now ships with, uh, free cookies.

I don't, I dunno, whatever. Um, so I, I, I think that's great. Um, there's also another keynote speaker. Um, is that, that's accurate, right? So Dre is doing the DRE note, and then there's another, another keynote. Um, who, who is that person? And I mean, I'm sorry that I don't know.

Catherine: Is it Vera on? Well, we've got, we've got three other keynotes.

Um, I think you might be talking about Vera. Are you talking about the one on neurodiversity?

John: That's the one, yeah. Yeah.

Catherine: Yep.

John: Cool. Yeah, so there, there's like, like other, other, uh, keynote content there, which is, um. Which is gonna be very cool. Um, what, let's, let's dig back into that Dre note a little bit more though.

I'm curious. Um. So obviously Drupal Canvas is now Dral Canvas. It has a new new name. But, um, do spoilers, do we have any ideas? Like, are we expecting like a Drupal Canvas 2.0 or Drupal Canvas now with like, um, magic features or any ideas on what, what's on the Dral canvas front?

Cristina: Well, I hope there is a Drupal Canvas one instead of a Drupal Canvas.

Two at Vienna, because otherwise someone is going to have a heart attack.

John: Sorry, maybe it's a 1, 1, 1, 1 2, like one, one. Oh, I don't know. I, I just clearly should know what, what version they're at, but like, you know, are we, are we expecting, um, very, very cool new features in, in what we see in Canvas?

Cristina: Yeah. Um.

Not sure how much Laurie talked about that. Um, but, uh, like the goal is to, mm. There are like a lot of other goals, especially like Canvas itself has its own roadmap, but like I can talk about like the Drupal CMS perspective and what we're aiming is to have Drupal CMS and Canvas shipped together. And there is something, uh, on Drupal CMS that canvases needs to have, which is, uh, support for, uh, structured content types.

So that's one of the big things that I think it's, uh, going to be a, a big deal in terms of like, uh, real projects start implementing that. So I think that's one of the strategic points to, uh, expect. And there's more stuff that I'm not like the expert on canvas. I

John: think, I think all in all it's gonna be, it's gonna be very exciting.

So I, we look forward to seeing what, what Drees has in store.

James: Yeah. Getting back to the, the keynotes a bit, I'm curious what other keynotes there are for, uh, DrupalCon Vienna and why they were chosen?

Catherine: Well, we've got Vera who's a, who's just a great speaker, and I think that the, the talk about neurodiversity being a benefit.

Companies. Mm-hmm. Um, is hugely important. And I think it's, it's just a great one to have. Right.

A DHD and, um, she tends to, she's focusing on some particular ex examples and use cases. I think AD A DHD is a one that comes up. High

James: sensitivity is another one.

Catherine: Yeah. Autism. Yeah. Yeah,

James: yeah.

Catherine: Um, and, and talking about how things like the ability to focus, right? Mm-hmm. Recognizing patterns, the ability to think a little bit differently, that these are actually benefits to organizations and.

Challenging the mindset that they are, um, are hindrances is a very important way to approach that discussion. So that should be a really good one.

Antonella: Yeah.

Catherine: Um, as mentioned earlier, I'm I'll, I'll be, well, I'll be moderating the, the web in 2035, a keynote panel on the future of the web, because we all like it when people sit around and talk about the theoretical.

But that will be Sebastian, Derek, Andre, as I mentioned earlier. Um, and then Ko Muto, who's the chair of Open Forum Europe, and she's a policy strategist, so she's gonna bring to the table that perspective where it's not just some, the engineering, you know, open source perspective, although she does have a technical background, she's gonna bring in the policy strategy perspective, and we're just gonna be sitting around.

Talking about where we think the web's gonna be in 2035. Um,

Speaker: right.

Catherine: Given, given the speakers we're, we're gonna be talking, um, certainly about standards and, and the role that we see that, that playing. Um mm-hmm. We're gonna be talking about, obviously, policy. We're gonna be talking about how developers can adjust, you know, what are some.

Traits that somebody who's new in the developed world may be somebody who's just beginning out. What are some traits that they can develop in order to still be here right, in 2035 and be happy and be fulfilled in this industry? Yeah, those are those, those sorts of things we're gonna discuss. So I think that's gonna be, I, I, if you know.

If it plays out the way that I hope it does, that's gonna be an interesting and engaging, but very laid back kind of conversation on, on stage. Okay. Where

John: it's inter it's interesting 'cause it sounds like it's gonna be, you know, as you just said, it's gonna be laid back. And I, I was gonna ask, like, as a moderator, what, what, what, uh.

I don't know what tone are you gonna take? Like doom and gloom, future of web or like sunshine and unicorn's, future of web, but like, I don't know, laid back future of web sounds sounds pretty good to me too.

Catherine: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not sure I can do doom and gloom, John. I don't think that's in my blood.

John: Hmm. Question on the keynotes while I'm thinking about it. Are those going to be recorded and available for folks to watch after the fact?

Antonella: Sorry, I was not to talk.

John: Okay, cool. I just wanted, just wanted to make sure that we can, we can, uh, we can catch those, uh, keynote, uh, afterwards. 'cause I feel like there are real good, real good set of topics here. Yeah.

Nic: And there's one more keynote, right.

James: Yeah, it looks like there's another panel like the Drupal CMS team

Antonella: talks. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Usually there's one of Drupal initiatives, Drupal tf. So,

Nic: uh, Antonella, can you tell us if DrupalCon Vienna has any training planned that you're aware of?

Antonella: Training? Um, I'm not aware of any in any tracks in ours. We don't have anything like that this year.

Uh, but I know that there's the mentorship, the contribution day, where there's a lot of training happening there.

John: And Catherine, you did talk about, uh, workshops. So those kind of, kind of fall into that training, training bucket. Um. Other than the, I think the two that you mentioned, are there, are there others that are, that are gonna be provided?

Um, no. So at Triple Cons, I'm a big fan of the special, uh, community social events. Are there, uh, social events after parties as they might be called in some places? Um, planned for Dr. DrupalCon Vienna? Yeah.

Catherine: Yeah. There are

John: great.

Catherine: We've got the, I mean, we've got the opening reception. That's always fun. We've got trivia night.

Actually that's, the trivia night is pretty awesome. And if you have not been to trivia night, I highly suggest coming The, the people who run that are hilarious.

Antonella: Nice.

Catherine: And they do accept bribes. I just.

James: Oh yeah.

John: Interesting.

James: You do. I was like, I'm sure was cohost for Atlanta, uh, trivia night. And yeah, there were some folks that were like, yeah, I'll buy you a drink.

Its like,

John: I was, I was happy. The last trivia, uh, trivia night I went to, um, uh, there was a talking dribble question and I got it right. I should hope so. Okay. Which I was like, yes. And everybody's like, are you sure? And I'm like, I was there. Yeah. I'm pretty sure

Catherine: for people that want something a bit more, a bit more formal, there's an agency leader's dinner where they, where the, all the agency owners get together and, and talk about things.

Agency

John: owner things. Yeah. Yeah. It's usually actually quite fun.

Catherine: I've, I've been to, those are, those are actually quite fun to go to and worth going to as well. Um, there's the community I think, isn't there, Christina? There's the volunteer, um, community night and there. No, yeah. And

Cristina: there's like, I'm not sure if there's company parties also, but if I would Yeah.

You think sponsor parties always. Yeah. I'm not sure which ones, but I would say that obviously trivia night is like the most authentic to the AL community one. Mm-hmm. But I would recommend to everyone first go to the the store. That first one on the first day that, uh, what you did say the name of the, the opening reception.

That one, I think that's the, that is strategic, like to catch up with everyone. And if you're like landing in, uh, Drupal Comfort the first time mm-hmm. The place to meet people, it's like a really open, uh, place for that.

James: Yeah. It sounds like. An incredible event, like just reflecting back on all the keynotes, all the, um, the work y'all have done in, in organizing the sessions and everything that's gonna be there.

So can people still buy tickets?

John: Everybody's shaking their head Yeah.

Antonella: Until the last day. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

James: So if, if folks wanna buy tickets, uh, where would they go?

Antonella: I think right on Triple Con,

just to search five, register

Cristina: and if you go exactly and if you wanna to go with, uh, your company there, you can actually get a bunch of tickets or more at once. So check it out there like several options.

John: Interesting. I actually just went to drupal.org in, in anticipation for seeing a big banner that was like, Hey, Drupal Con.

And I don't actually see one so slightly. Well,

James: we will slightly, we'll add the link.

John: We'll, we'll put the link in the show notes so that everybody know goes and, and buys, buys tickets. 'cause I think it's gonna be a good time.

James: Yeah, sounds incredible. Thanks for all the work y'all did in organizing it. It's fantastic.

Antonella: Thank you.

Nic: Yeah, we, we organized a local camp that just has a, has two days and that's enormous amount of work. I can't imagine how much work goes into organizing it. Yeah. Yeah. A full blown DrupalCon over a few minutes. Okay. Alright. Christina Antonella and Catherine, thank you guys all for joining us. It's been a pleasure.

Antonella: It has.

Thank you so much.

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Nic: Alright, Christina, if our listeners wanted to get in touch with you or, uh, have any questions or.

Possibly sponsor you. What's the best way for them to get in touch with you?

Cristina: Either the contact form through, through the to uh, or directly through LinkedIn or an email to me at C and probably we're going to share that because then if I have to spell that in English, it's not going to sound as good as in cat.

John: There you go. Chris, Christina, before we move on, I just wanna, I just wanna highlight the fact that you are looking for core contribution sponsorship so you can continue your work on Drupal CMS. Is that, is that right?

Cristina: Exactly. Yeah. Um, so it would be a great tool instead of focusing on, uh, consulting and, uh, freelance work, I could like invest that time actually on, uh, improving Drupal itself and help define what comes in the future.

And there's a time on that.

John: Yeah. So that's, that's important. That's, that's super important work. So if you're, you're sitting there listening to this and you, you know, own a company or you're, uh, sitting on a, a massive amount of, of gold coins and you wanna help an open source project, um, you can, uh, you can sponsor some of Christina's times, keep working on Drupal CMS and pushing Drupal forward.

So, uh, I would say that you should probably do that. Just saying.

Cristina: And the Dr Yeah, uh, the Drupa Association has a plan, um, uh, a plan and an agreement for that. So it could be like together with the Drupa Association. So like open for options.

John: Hey, listen, if you're listening, you too can make the world a better place.

Just saying.

Nic: And Antonella, if our listeners had questions or comments for you, how can they best get in touch with you?

Antonella: Same thing. LinkedIn com slash i anella because I'm old enough to have grabbed LinkedIn my own name. That

John: is amazing.

Antonella: Lemme try this.

Nic: Cool. And Catherine, how about you?

Catherine: Yeah. Um, not LinkedIn. I, I have shunned it. I'm off of it. I'm going against the flow, but you can reach me on Drupal Slack, or you can reach me at Catherine at mindcraft group com, whichever you want.

Nic: What's your Drupal Slack username?

Catherine: It's,

Antonella: I think Okay.

Yeah.

Nic: And Adam. Oh, what's your, what's your username there? Antonella.

Ah, very easy. And James, how about you?

James: Yeah, y'all can uh, find [email protected]. Uh, if you want to book a demo, you can go to slash demo on that, uh, site. And, uh, I'd love to chat with you. Uh, I also just quick want to reiterate the, um. Christina sponsorship. I have worked with Christina for several years and she is incredible to work with.

She has such a eye to detail and just a big picture view of like how to contribute to make drup making Drupal more user friendly. Um, and yeah, please sponsor.

John: And John, how about you? You can find me, uh, [email protected], uh, and uh, on dribble.org and the social networks at John Zi. And you can find out more about EP [email protected],

Nic: and you can find me at nicks man, N-I-C-X-B-A-N, pretty much everywhere.

John: And as usual, if you've enjoyed listening, we've enjoyed talking. Thanks everyone. Have a good one.